Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2021 Fantasy Football

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2021 Fantasy Football

Intro 00:17
You’re listening to the good old boys fantasy football podcast Now here’s your host Kevin Derek and Alex

Derek 00:27
welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of the good old boys fantasy football Podcast. I am Derek and I am joined as always by your co host Kevin and Alex guys How we doing tonight?

Kevin 00:36
doing doing real good finishing up work dynasty auction draft league it’s kind of in its second year right now so we’re working on that here currently so I promise I’m not ignoring you guys. But if I don’t get my bid and I don’t get my roster that I want so we’re multitasking here tonight fellas I’m not good. Lots of news coming out lots of takes from Camp sake. sake one coming off the pup list. made everybody in the northeast go. Like you might actually have a chance to play come week one. All the different things going on with COVID-19 vaccinations and testings and all the fallouts through camp and some really pissed off coaches, which is always entertaining to watch their little clips. But overall, they were getting squared up here guys. It’s it’s preseason football time and we’re ready to rock and roll.

Derek 01:32
Absolutely. And we’re joined by a very special guest tonight. We got Smitty one coming to us. He’s from the fantasy football show, you can find him yo 21 on on the Twitter’s and several of the other. socials. And he’s also got the schmidty one.com. How you doing tonight? I’m good man. I appreciate you guys having me on I and I’m ready to talk a little football. Absolutely, this one is gonna be a blast. We’ve got a lot of really good things coming to you. We’ve got a whole lot of stuff to kind of get into as we start getting there. But last team of the of the season to break down and that’s the Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Before we get there, though, we’re going to we’re going to talk to Smitty a little bit, like we do with all the folks that we bring on, we always like to get some of the backstory behind it and kind of see how, you know, they some of the stuff, they’re working on some of the stuff that you how they got their start. And that’s kind of where we’ll start this one off with is somebody so you’ve been doing fantasy football for a while? You know, can you tell us kind of how you got your start in the space?

Smitty 02:38
Yeah, I mean, other than like Matthew Berry and a few others. I’m a dinosaur. I’ve been here as long as anybody I’m 19 years professionally does what I do. And I got my start on NBC Sports Radio. And I’ve been on and it’s probably going to end this year, unfortunately, but been on the world’s longest fantasy football radio show. And it’s been on NBC and CBS, it’s bounced back and forth over the 23 years that it’s been going I’ve been a part of it 919 and COVID is taken out everything. But this one in particular was a it’s based out of a local sports bar here in Phoenix. And just so happens, you know, with with places going under, and it’s such that this particular show that was been powered for 23 years by by a group of people is probably not going to happen anymore, so that that rain will end but I got my start 19 years ago, drop in bold predictions on on NBC Sports Radio, and I’ve done that show ever since non stop. And I you know, got into the space at that point. You can find everything that I have at Smitty. one.com. It’s my rankings, my text advice, my bold predictions, all that stuff. But yeah, man, I’ve been I’ve been doing this for as long as anybody, you know, inventing tools that weren’t here before I got here, first incident based trade calculator invented in 22,003 just been innovating and doing what I can to create a type of fantasy football environment that that isn’t there, currently. And that’s that’s my goal innovation.

Kevin 04:15
That’s, that’s awesome. And kudos, kudos to you for the longevity and sticking it out. And, you know, some some things are meant to last and some things there’s when a door shuts, or when a window shuts a door opens is what the saying is right. So obviously Best of luck to you guys as your next venture comes forward. But over those past 19 years or so, what’s what’s something that really sticks out to you? It’s kind of a one off it’s a shining moment that I’m trying to say but something that fantasy relevance kind of sticks out in your head is hey, this was this was my moment that I just got to kind of stand on top of the world and scream I told You didn’t listen.

Smitty 05:03
I mean, there’s so many what I’m known for the bold prediction of old takes and obviously I wouldn’t be doing what I do now. 19 years in if I was, you know, accurate with those things, sometimes you have big ears, sometimes you miss a ton. Every one of us have misses every single year. So, you know, I take those losses and I talk about them i don’t i don’t try and hide them. You know, I love Kenyan Drake last year, I thought that he was a very high risk, potentially high, high risk, high reward player. They don’t always work out but I have DK and AJ Brown and other things that landed too so I don’t run from my missus but some of the boldest stuff I think that I’ve landed quarterbacks I’m really good. That’s my wheelhouse for predicting the next elite guys. I predicted mahomes to be top a one to five guy on on the news. NBC, CBS Sports Radio then, on CBS Sports Radio, when he wasn’t even starting. It was Alec Smith. He was it was about October, I think and Alex Smith was going crazy. He was like a top five fantasy football quarterback threw like October was madness. And everyone’s like mahomes, who, you know, we don’t need this guy we drafted so you know, things like that. Stand out, as you know, some of my dear calls. But you know, I’m not much about looking in the past. I’m much about looking forward I so the fantasy football show is my my YouTube channel. And it’s only two and a half years in. So we’re actually we’re entering year three. So entering year three, two years in the books. I’ve been acquired a couple times through my career. And so this is essentially my start over point branching back out on my own. And so that’s that’s what the fantasy football show is all about. And, and man, everything I do is is trying to bring, like I said, new, a new way of looking at fantasy football a different way of breaking down the psych degree. So I use a lot of psychology in fantasy football with a lot of my content, and just try and bring different perspectives to it. So I would say the innovation parts are more important to me than like the bold predictions of the calls. It’s like being being, you know, the first to bring, you know, a fantasy football incident rate calculator to the market brain being one of the first if not the first, but at least one of the first because there are people toying around with the idea in some way, shape or form, but the first automated draft simulator in 2003. So those things are very, you know, I think good accomplishments because they help evolve the game. And I’ve been doing it since you couldn’t even get like a PayPal account to take a fantasy football transaction. That’s how long I’ve been in the space like it was frowned upon. You’d have to find some crazy gateway payment gateway to use for your fantasy football content because nobody wants to deal with you. You were you were you were completely like cast it out from from the real world. That’s how long I’ve been to watch to be a part of evolving fantasy football into relevancy and acceptance by NFL calm and, and the team’s. It’s been a great journey. And I think I’m more proud of that

Alex 08:01
stuff. Yeah, I think it wasn’t that long ago. And I think we might all forget about that. That fantasy football was like, considered a form of gambling almost. And it’s, it’s not gambling, if you’re doing it right. I can tell you that much. Sometimes I take Gamble’s but Smitty, I wanted to ask you, I know you just said I don’t like to look in the past. I like to look towards the future. But I’m gonna ask you to look into the past year. We all have that one guy that, you know, maybe we wrote him to a championship or whatever, who who is your one guy from all of your years of fantasy football. That is like he holds a soft spot in your heart because of what he meant to your team in that particular season or seasons.

Smitty 08:44
I’m probably priest Holmes, I think that that’s the one guy that comes to mind for me, because that’s what really, really got me you know, once I’ve learned once I landed a Holmes and Warner prediction, Kurt Warner is another one, Kurt Warner mahomes. You know, those are the ones that like really got me even further embedded in fantasy football prediction in the prediction business, you know, just trying to define those next guys. Evaluating talent. I’m a very gut driven guy, believe me, I have a lot of stats. I’m not one of those analysts that just starts spouting off, you know, stuff without substance but I crank a crank out a lot of stat driven stuff, but I’m a very gut oriented predictor as well. Half of what I do is probably gut driven you know stuff that you can’t be like How can you say that like and say it because my guts telling me to say it like try try and take that away from it. You can’t You can’t take that away from me when my gut tells me something’s gonna happen. I trust it and and yeah, so Holmes probably holds a soft spot in my heart in terms of player that you know, put down on paper or you know, predicted in on on NBC Sports Radio or CBS would be Arian Foster. That was probably the one thing that got me like on the map in some ways, because he was a fifth and sixth round pick And that’s probably the biggest call I landed on on on NBC Sports Radio was Aaron foster will be a top five running back and that was as a fifth fifth or sixth round pick. We had nothing to go on but week 16 and week 17 the year prior and so that one was a huge land that got a lot of people championships and kind of got my name out there is Oh my god, this is a bull predicting man. So I probably say are in foster he did me the most work the most solid work. Hell Yes, I

Kevin 10:27
will. I will say that I have the biggest soft spot for Arian Foster for that very same reason kind of jumped on him his rookie year going on drafted and got him super late in the draft, but I was I was following the Texans probably a little bit more closely than just because they were still a newer franchise to the NFL just trying to figure out what they were all about. And seeing him at Tennessee figured hey, what you know, get this guy’s a dark horse flyer and kind of see what’s going on here. And sure enough, week one tears up the Colts for what was a buck 87 and two touchdowns. And everyone’s going Holy crap, where did this guy come from? And those of us who are paying attention got to bask in that glory for a couple seasons.

Smitty 11:10
I put a lot on the line for that prediction to like, I mean, I literally looking back, I was reckless with with how much I put on the line on that one. And so I remember being at a sports bar, watching that I didn’t watch the the red zone then at home, I don’t think the red zone existed, obviously. So I was watching a sports bar. And I remember him ripping off, you know, those touchdown runs. And I was just like I was I was running around the ball with buddy. So I was like, Oh my god, this is the best thing ever. You know, like, I can’t believe this guy’s here. I knew he’s gonna be here. And yeah, that was those are good memories. I love I love Aaron Foster, he was such a good fantasy football talent. And, and not the best player in the world, like physical ability wise. And this is probably one of the things I talk about most. When I break down predicting something for a player is it’s situation and player talent. And there are one you can’t separate them. You can’t separate trade lands from being a 49. Or now as much as fields owners are want to be like, well, but he has this he doesn’t matter. Like he is in a Niner uniform. It is what it is you can’t separate situation from talent. And so with Foster, he had a great situation, the perfect skill set for it. Were there better running backs than him? Yeah. And there, you know, he wasn’t the fastest guy in the world, but he was perfect for that system. And identifying that is one thing I love to do is find the right situation, the combination of player and talent in a situation, because that’s what makes a good fantasy player. Zone scheme. Gary qubes. Yeah.

Derek 12:44
So what are some things that that you’ve got working on that that folks need to be aware of and need to go and check out there for the coming season.

Smitty 12:51
I’m live every Tuesday and Thursday from 5pm to 7pm Eastern on my show the fantasy football show on YouTube, you can find it by going to Smitty one.com Everything I have is at smiddy one.com. So if I talked about it, it’s there. And eventually it’s going to be a Monday through Friday. Show I’m hoping sooner than later. So 2pm two hours a day 5pm to 7pm but I go live like every other night on YouTube I’m live at least once a day on Instagram on live constantly so that’s not to say I don’t go live all the time on mock drafting midnight I probably go alive I think more than anybody that anybody’s ever seen in industry because I literally I sit in this cave that built here 20 hours a day just grinding and my goal is never let anybody out grind me and that’s kind of what I’ve done for the for the 19 years so find me on on on summit one.com and also have like, you know, text Advice Service stuff like that. So all of it’s right there.

Derek 13:51
Awesome. Well, yeah, I’m super excited to you know, always enjoy tuning in and watching your show and and you have connected with you on clubhouse in a couple of places like that before and always enjoy the takes, and you definitely do have some bold predictions out there. And they they seem to come true. Quite a bit there. So always enjoy getting the chance to to hear some of those things and put them to put them to the test for every fantasy season. Let’s go ahead and head on over we got the last team of the week to break down and that’s the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But before we get there, we’re gonna hit up that sports me spicy take

14:37
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will beat the Green Bay Packers again at some point in the playoffs. In Lambeau Field. icing on the cake. Aaron Rodgers is not playing magic Green Bay. He looks to go somewhere else after uses to Tom Brady again at home

15:00
All right Derrick, well, you’re always forcing us into spicy here. So no a slightly spicy take. I’m sure that spicy. But I’m going to say that the Buccaneers don’t repeat a Super Bowl champions. But since they got to make it spicy, I’m going to go with the Buccaneers don’t make it back to the Super Bowl.

Derek 15:22
So some interesting takes they’re coming through on the old sports me spicy take there. Um, you’re kind of some interesting things that stood out there’s, there’s actually a world where both of those predictions can come true. But that means that you’re going to typically see those two teams meet up in like the, yeah, the divisional round type of thing. So definitely an interesting take there. Also some interesting thoughts that would mean that the Packers will have a better record than the than the Buccaneers for that first prediction to come through. But let’s go ahead and hop on over into the running back room. We’re gonna start where we always do the running back room and they’ve got this guy Ronald Jones finished his running back 16 last year 192 rush attempts, 978 yards, seven touchdowns, cut, cut a few passes there. 20, interceptions on 42 targets 165 yards, one touchdown through the air and just under a 7% target share, guys, what are your thoughts on Ronald Jones? I

Alex 16:26
was gonna say it looks like Kevin’s in a tight bid here. So I’ll go first here. Ronald Jones was somebody last year that I had. And then I also had I had drafted early Leonard Fournette. That was when he was still with Jacksonville thinking, hey, I’ve got a pretty good one two punch here, you know, to two running backs that are going to be starters. And then Burnett comes over to to join the Bucs. But Ronald Jones I stuck with him and I was very happy that I did. There were some weeks where it was like is this going to be for net week is just going to be a Jones week. It was it was a little interesting. But overall, Joe Jones was a pretty solid player last year, missed a couple games. The the touchdown numbers were okay, a seven sevens good. But I would have liked to have seen those go up a little bit and the 1000 yard Mark would have been nice. But I was big fan of Ronald Jones last year and going into this year. Yeah, it’s gonna be tough because they do have fournette. And it’s just I don’t I don’t know that I’m as confident in Ronald Jones this year with the addition of fournette I think a little more gun shy towards him. But I don’t know that that’s exactly the right the right attitude to take two.

Kevin 17:47
So I I like Ronald Jones in basketball because I don’t have to worry about that situation. Now, the good thing is, is Ronald Jones is going late enough in drafts, you can pick him up as your third or fourth running back depending on how everything’s sitting out and kind of play that matchup use him on by weeks but he does a lot of good things. And when he gets touches, you saw the success guys like you know, 20 carries 111 yards 17 carries 106 yards 23 carries 113 with two touchdowns, like he had some very productive weeks but then he had some weeks where the Bucs rode the hot hand and for net kind of got going a little bit and you know, seven for 23 349 another seven for 23 and then obviously weeks 15 and 16 he had the injury and so when you needed him most right and this is what scorns fantasy players right is when you need hidden most in your semifinals and finals. The guys up on the shelf and that’s when the whole playoff Lenny legend started as then they kind of carried it into that Super Bowl run. So Jones has some explosiveness he hits the hole quickly he’s got a one cut and go ability that Leonard Fournette just doesn’t have there. They make a nice one two combo but I do think Jones I think Jones is the guy that I would rather have over Leonard Fournette and I think part of that is that explosive play ability that if I’m going to roster a guy, you know kind of those middle middle rounds for running back I want some pop to him like I don’t want just three or three, three and a half yards and a cloud of dust. I want a guy that if I’m putting them in by week’s injuries matchup whatever that is that has some pop that you know what there’s the excitement of he hits the hole and 60 yards he’s gone and I get that with Ronald Jones. I don’t get that as much with Leonard Fournette

Smitty 19:53
Yeah, I have to say that this is a situation I’m not going near like I’m not even touch it. I don’t care what ATP These are because Giovanni Brunner was brought in for a few different reasons he’s brought into past catchers brought into pass block, he’s got I think like, five or six times the pass blocking grade of the other two guys. So and I believe they’re, you know, they brought him in to, to to fill that receiving roll a piece of the game of the offense that it’s been lacking. So I don’t know, it’s a three headed monster, not a two or three headed committee, not a two headed committee, in my view. And you know, I almost take a gamble on Giovanni Bernard versus either one of the other two guys. I just don’t trust it at all, I there’s so many better options to me, and I don’t want to be dealing with the headache that will probably you’ll probably get from dealing with this situation. But that’s my opinion.

Derek 20:47
Fair enough, I can certainly see that. And you’ve seen the kind of the fantasy community kind of take a step back there, because Ronald Jones was that guy that everybody was trying to put that, you know, kind of be that darling, that mid round hero last year for a lot of drafts, where he was the guy that when it got down to the fourth, fifth round that people were, what if you saw on the board, they smash the button and move on there. And we’ve seen that where he’s now slipping back there, a lot of times, you’re farther back towards this sixth, maybe even to the seventh in some of these formats there. And I think there’s a lot to be said with that, because of the fact that, you know, he is going to be a guy that can pop in and break one loose and, and score you a big touchdown. But there’s also going to be a lot of times where he doesn’t he doesn’t really produce for you for fantasy, because last year when you looked at it, he had to you know, in order for him to have the really good weeks that he had, he fell into the end zone and the weeks that he didn’t you know he was running back to or worse type of situation there. There is some value there this year, just simply from the standpoint when you are drafting him. You could be drafting him is the fourth running back type of thing. But if he’s my third running back that I’m gonna have to put on my roster. I am not I’m gonna pass on that one, and not go there.

Alex 22:01
Who was all on before we move on it? I was one of those fantasy football owners that was scrambling last year because they were playing the whole will he or Won’t he with Ronald Jones in week 16 as we were going into our championship and in the good ol boys League, and if it weren’t for my two esteemed co hosts here I probably would not have won the fantasy football championship because you guys gave me was it Gio Bernard that I picked up that that helped me out and week 16

Derek 22:33
it very well might have

Kevin 22:34
Yeah. Yeah, cuz Mixon was out in that matchup was pretty,

Smitty 22:39
pretty salty that I needed I needed Gio to win that title. And now he’s he’s a teammate with him. Yeah, I just think his involvement that it’s gonna be forced upon. It’s gonna be a high PPR type role that I think Bernard is gonna have and I just don’t see the value in any of them. Unless you’re getting Bernard like really late because people are drafting Ronald Jones way too high. Like if he was going like extremely late, it depends on what ADP you look at or what who your draft was, but I just think they’re safer options. Personally, Derek, it’s kind of a mess. And you’ve got you’ve got keyshawn Vaughn, who a few beat beat reporter connections who say they still really like him. And I know he probably won’t rise up anytime soon, if he ever does, but it’s just there’s like four players that they they can potentially go with this runningback spot. I just don’t know how it’s attractive to touch from a fantasy perspective, but

Kevin 23:40
it’s very new england patriots of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Smitty 23:43
are running at all blow up on any given week. But the guidance grated the highest as a pass blocker is Giovanni Bernard. So I’m just saying if you’re going to go this direction, I think he’s probably in PPR the guy to bank on

Kevin 23:57
and that that makes a lot of sense right? Because rojo had issues with that that was part of it was a couple drops and the fact that Brady got smashed a couple times fairly early in the season and he got pissed off at Ronald Jones and for net seem to do a better job. Now. Part of that was also familiarity with the offense getting past the fact that they didn’t have otas and training camp and and Brady being more familiar with the system that Bruce wanted to run there but yeah, schmidty I think you make a great point that it

Smitty 24:29
and piste and ever out of 70 running backs and look at the thing here 70 running backs graded for Pass Pass blocking Barnard finished as the seventh highest in 2020. And for net is 65th and Ronald Jones 44th. So you know they brought it you’ve got to you got to think they brought him in for pass blocking which means he’ll be on the field for for all the PPR work. And then I will point does he get run in Between the tackles to, you know, this is kind of like the Drake and Jacobs debate, like Drake is probably going to be the PPR guy. He’s gonna get a lot of the third down work and then you got to ask yourself will he also split up a lot of the first and second network? And if he does, then he’s gonna get more volume than Jacob So, you know I don’t go near Jacobs for similar reasons I don’t I don’t touch him.

Kevin 25:21
I’d agree with that. I’m not coming anywhere near Josh Jacobs this season.

Derek 25:26
Right. Alex, did you have a Do you have another point that you were bringing up there?

Alex 25:31
I was just gonna say you know, you talked about last year and how people were in love with Ronald Jones because he was that mid round darling and it was attractive because he was the only you know, show in town there and then when they brought for net over there was a lot of expletives that were thrown in the air I think by a lot of fantasy football players that were kind of banking on rojo being the guy down there.

Derek 25:56
Yeah, yeah. But you saw a lot of folks you know, jump off that ship and probably shouldn’t have but let’s go ahead and head on over to Leonard for net Lennar for net finishes the running back 38 last year 97 rush attempts, 367 yards, six touchdowns, 36 receptions on 47 targets to 33 through the air zero touchdowns just under an 8% target share guys your thoughts on Leonard Fournette

Kevin 26:24
I think kind of like what we were just talking I think for nets probably the guy that gets hurt the worst by geo coming in only because so many of his points came in the passing game last season that he didn’t do a whole hell of a lot as a runner. I mean, he had five five touchdowns on the ground which is nice but he had some pretty monster receiving weeks for a for a Tampa Bay offense that kind of likes to air it out on a Bruce Bruce arenas right like six receptions, two different games, three receptions, three different four different games, you know for reception game you get rid of, you get rid of that and it goes to Gio and fournette just becomes the leftover guy so he might be the odd man out looking in. When it comes to this 2021 sees

Alex 27:12
your soccer background was showing a little bit there Kevin said Bruce arenas oh it’s alright combination of Bruce Arians and former US men’s national team head coach this arena that’s all good. Yeah, I think with fournette I mean again, he was a very attractive player last year because you know, he was gonna be the guy in Jacksonville The only thing they had was this undrafted rookie out of Illinois state that nobody knew anything about unless you listen to our show and it was it was going to be just you know cakewalk he’s going to be RV one and then that that the trade happened and he moved over to Tampa and and again you know as is as we’ve all kind of said here and not to beat a dead horse here but yeah of the options in Tampa Bay like fernet is is maybe the least attractive of them.

Smitty 28:07
And keep in mind like Damian Williams shined in Super Bowls and then wasn’t used the same you know that that happened so I think people were gonna run with the you know the production late production on for net and get burned but it i don’t i don’t i’m not drafting for net Not unless you fell to ridiculous value and I’m like, I’m just like, Who do I who do I take here? You know, it’s not going to be a place where I’m targeting a middle this be okay, there’s nobody left. I’ll take a stab. But nowhere nowhere in my drafting fournette over over guys I like even like a Darnell Mooney you know, give me a shot on a breakout player like that. versus going with a running back that I’ve zero confidence in that will that will be a starter for very long if ever in 2021

Derek 28:54
right. Yeah, that’s that’s kind of the way that I see that one as well. Yeah, somebody somebody already already said the point there. So I’m not gonna delete beleaguered. I’m just going to kind of bring it up again that this feels very New England Patriots asked and I believe it was Kevin that said that where this is going to be a backfield where you don’t ultimately know who to start for fantasy and that’s going to drive the fantasy managers absolutely insane out there. Pink’s pick, a good friend of the show, saying that he should just go to the Rams or something. That would be an interesting, interesting deal there. Guys. Any thoughts on Leonard? fournette go into the rain. Oh, yeah.

Smitty 29:33
He’s finally handy gets a shot. No, pigs, pigs. We’re not doing that. But I intended to get a full chance.

Alex 29:44
I will pose this question. If you’re if you’re if you’re down to it and you’re looking at, you know, running back, would you rather go and I think I know the answer from everybody here. But would you rather go with with the younger, you know, an unproven rookie or less for that and you’re in that spot what rookie take taken unproven one by somebody that’s going to be as effective as an RB two names are escaping me at the Michael

Kevin 30:12
Carter absolutely I get me Michael Carter all day oh

Smitty 30:15
yeah that’s not even that’s not even the same universe like Michael Carter after six round pick potential high end running back to sermons sermon could be a top 10 running back per start you know in who knows how many stars oh good but how about this one redraft league and it’s tuba Hubbard or Leonard Fournette tuba Hubbard even on the on the chance you start to games and you get high end Mike Davis like production for two games. And that’s it you tell me you guarantee you guarantee me He only plays two games. I still take that because I’m not using fournette if I’m using fournet I’ve already lost the league you know like why have a guy like that in my lineup ever and for that’s already squandered away all this opportunity, there’s very little chance he climbs back up into the good graces for the long term at any point in my view. But you know, he they wanted him out of Jacksonville for a reason he’s not a good locker room guy. And And honestly, if you’re if you make Brady mad enough to where they go and get the one of the better pass blocking available players and Bernard which people don’t really realize they don’t realize he’s that good at pass blocking, that, that, that that’s like a kiss of death for your long term value. So just, again, not not going anywhere near any of these values. These, it I was I did wonder if the books were going to draft a big name, rookie. And that would have made things very, very interesting. But they didn’t. And you know, I was kind of surprised they didn’t grab a good value grab because a lot of running backs fall in the draft these days, you can get a steal and like the third and fourth round, so it kind of shocked me but you know, they that must mean they like Barnard enough, you know, that they like the idea of Barnard. And to me that’s gonna be the only player I look at.

Derek 32:01
Gotcha. I like it. And it’s funny too, that you mentioned Mike Davis because Pink’s picks chime in in there asking what about the Falcons saying that he can’t be worse than Mike Davis. So kind of an interesting thought there.

Kevin 32:15
Mike Davis wasn’t bad. We saw the very first chance Mike Davis has really had in his career to make an impact and he did it like he’s not Christian McCaffrey so him stepping up into that role and someone expecting a top three running back finish week in and week out is is not realistic, but he stepped in and served very well in a team that you know, was behind more often than not their defense was was leaky with with Luke Keithley retiring and Davis Davis Thomas Davis not being there any longer like they had a whole bunch of issues those that receiving corps carry the team and Mike Davis did absolutely everything he could do and I think he earned the shot from the Falcons You know, there’s a reason he’s going in the sixth round like we’re not saying he’s already won.

Smitty 33:09
I mean i don’t i don’t i don’t disagree with pings picks that getting them out and seeing if he could do something somewhere isn’t the the idea of roll with here I get it and I understand it. But yeah, no, I like Mike Davis more than paying specs obviously. And you know, that’s why we play the game so it’s not it’s okay to disagree. But Mike Davis, I mean, he’s going to probably the best situation for him that he could find because Atlanta is not running anybody in making making anybody like 1100 1200 yard rusher you know they’re looking for a running back that’s going to be heavily involved in both the rushing and passing game kind of equally somebody that’s got a good nose for the end zone Mike Davis does somebody that can be ultra efficient and I know his yards per carry were low but it was it was a tough situation like you said giving getting handed Christian McCaffrey type volume when he’s not Christian McCaffrey no running back can really just jump right into that and he did a darn good job doing it and he was really really good for a string of games then he slowed down and then everybody’s judging him on you know the sum total of work versus the amount of time he was doing really good when he was prepared you know he’s when you come in like that you’re not expecting to you’re not getting the practice reps you’re not getting the the conditioning and the work as if you’re going to be starting the starting running back so he wasn’t fully prepared to come out and play the amount of time he did play so I think to do as well as he did in the beginning showed enough to me that hey this guy if he comes in prepared as a starter could probably handle the workload a little bit better. I like Mike Davis I think he’s a pretty darn good like late fifth early six round pick. A really good running back like two if you want to go super light at running back to and go like let’s say you draft McCaffrey ironically at one Then you go you know DK Metcalf and AJ Brown at the turn picks in two and three and then you surprise people and take CD lamb cuz he fell for some reason still in that league and you haven’t even gone running back to yet you’re waiting forever to go running back to and you take Mike Davis and Michael Carter and platoon a running back to those two guys. I’m fine with that. Like I don’t want fournette coming over to to mess with that. So I’m gonna I’m gonna then I’m gonna I’m gonna deny that one to paint

Derek 35:34
Alrighty, well guys, we’ve we’ve hit up both Gio Bernard and keyshawn Vaughn a little bit here as we’ve gone through. Do we have any any thoughts that the listeners need to know about on that we haven’t already talked about with either Gio or keyshawn? Nope. Alrighty, let’s go ahead and head on over into the time to the wide receiver room. Mike Evans is over there, wide receiver number 10 finished last year, 79 receptions 109 targets 1006 yards 13 touchdowns, just under an 18% target share, guys, your thoughts on Mike Evans.

Kevin 36:14
I I have liked Mike Evans for a long time. I like his frame. I like the fact that he’s, you know, 230 pounds and six foot five and has a wingspan as long as a tractor trailer. Like I like a lot of what Mike Evans brings to the table. I don’t want him as my wide receiver one, even though that’s where he finished right, it’s, I think that 10 touchdowns might be a little bit tough for him to repeat, just because there’s so many mouths to feed in Tampa Bay. But there, there comes a point where there’s parts of each offense that as a fantasy player you’d like to have a part of. And this receiving corps for Tampa Bay is that so if you want a piece of that, and Mike Evans happens to fall into your lap, and if you pass on him, you don’t think you’re gonna get Godwin on the next turn or whatever that looks like there’s nothing wrong with grabbing a Mike Evans. Again, big body guy likes to high point the ball, Brady obviously trust him for those 5050 shots, he feeds him the ball now at that almost 18% clip for as far as target share goes. So he’s a guy that he’s going to be able to see volume, even with the other mouths in town. And he might be I think he has the safest floor out of all the receivers in Tampa Bay. But he might actually have the lowest ceiling just because he’s not as explosive in in kind of this new format of Tampa Bay, as opposed to when he was with jameis. Winston.

Alex 38:00
Yeah, I had shares of Mike Evans last year. And it was it was pretty nice, actually, to have him on your team. And you know, Kevin, to your point, you know, when one of the strategies that I like to employ is just to get a piece of an offense if I if I like the offense to try and find a piece of it, but turns out I was taking a lot of pieces of Tampa Bay last year. One of them unbeknownst to me at the time when I was grabbing Leonard Fournette out but I think I think with Mike Evans, you know, obviously, the chemistry that him and Tom built up without the benefit of a training camp of a preseason. It that was a kind of a surprise, I think I mean, we all know how good of a quarterback Tom Brady is. But to see that he kind of latched on to Mike Evans, and wasn’t afraid to put the ball in his direction. There were some feast weeks there were some famine weeks but I was pleased with his overall production. I have no reason I guess the only the only concern is is the one that you brought up Kevin and that there are plenty of mouths to feed. But when you have plenty of mouths to feed and a first ballot Hall of Famer quarterback it’s a lot easier to swallow that pill.

Smitty 39:20
Yeah, I think also you know, seventh grade 1000 yard seasons like he said definition of consistency plays hurt all the time, which isn’t you know, a great thing I guess, but it’s great that he’s never missing games for you. But I don’t know I really do like my Mike Evans in 2021. Mainly because this is the one of the only handcuff situations you can find wide receiver wide receiver in fantasy football. That makes a lot of sense. Mostly you’re handcuffing running backs but if you handcuff Antonio Brown to Evans or Godwin, but let’s specifically talk Evans here. You’re pretty much locking yourself into wide receiver one production for 17 straight weeks because I think if Evans were to go down and Tonio brown would would absolutely step into hi wide receiver to type value in and you can get Antonio Brown late. So this is one of the unique wide receiver wide receiver handcuffs in fantasy, and Evans to me, I don’t know, I see I see Brady building, you know, he didn’t have good rapport with anybody right away. And if people remember it was it was like, there was some tough times early on for the books and people weren’t, you know, thinking this was the team. Like they were at the end of the year. They were thinking, Okay, you know, everybody’s kind of banged up. Brady couldn’t get everybody healthy at once. And even though Mike Evans plays he plays banged up there is time so what was that game? Did he have one reception and then two or two receptions? Like two touchdowns or whatever the heck it was?

Kevin 40:46
Yeah. week six and seven he went to and one four and two for two.

Smitty 40:51
Yeah, so like Evans did a lot being hurt for a big part of the year. So I’d say he he least duplicates his receptions and yardage. So give me like 75 receptions for like 1100 extra game. So give me 1100 to 1150 was 7580 receptions with the extra game and give me easily 10 CDs. And I and I say with Antonio Brown, I feel ultra confident in those numbers because if I’m wrong, and he gets hurt Antonio Browns gonna make it up for me. So I kind of like if you’re gonna go, let’s say let’s say running back, running back running back, which I’m all about going best player available. I don’t go in with a set plan. I hate when people are like Smitty, what should I do? Why should I go running back running back around one and two? I never ever, ever tell somebody? Yes, I tell somebody, you have to go with the flow on the always best player available. best player available may lead me down the road of running back running back running back, it may lead me down the road of running back wide receiver wide receiver, wide receiver quarterback and then my platoon of running backs that running back to what if you’re going to go let’s use the one pick again. McCaffrey and let’s say you go clyde edwards a layer in JK Dobbins. Now you’re looking at a place where Evans might fall to YOU at your next pick your fourth round pick. And he’s probably the most ideal wide receiver one you could find in that scenario where you have yet to go wide receiver and then you take an Tonio Brown, boom, like you know, out of golladay you’ve a pretty cool looking team going running back running back running back.

Derek 42:30
Absolutely. Well, too. And when you look at it over the back half of the season, right when Tampa Bay really had their three wide receivers there, Mike Evans got better than he did when you know before Antonio Brown was there and when Chris Godwin was banged up in the the first part of the season, because over the first part of the season, you saw a lot of games that we already kind of talked about where you know, he had four targets or four targets, two targets, two targets, he wasn’t a volume type of receiver like you would typically expect a wide receiver one to be, and really stayed fantasy relevant on a lot of those things, because he had one catch for a touchdown or two catches for a touchdown. And he ended weeks that way, were over the back half there, as it started as the season really started going through there. And then offense started clicking, you started seeing him jump up there where he was consistently getting nine to seven 912 types of targets a game, and you saw that production flow with it as well. And I think that is the back half of the model is more what we’re going to see over the 2021 season, then the season as a whole. So the those bucks are going to that offense kind of clicked. And I think you’re going to see that continue as the season progresses into 2021. To the point where we’ll see Mike Evans, I’m going to see him probably right about where it’s where he finished last year, kind of at that fringe wide receiver one territory. And again for where he’s being drafted that some pretty good value there. Because right now he’s coming off the board at wide receiver 13.

Alex 43:58
And this was a team we have to we have to remember Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but they were seven and five, going into their bye week in week 13. And then they figured it out and didn’t lose a game since you know that is a team that you know, that desperately needed a preseason and otas and training camp and in that’s what we saw the first you know, 12 weeks of the season essentially play out in front of us was otas training camp and preseason, right. They’re playing out in real time. And then they figured it out in that by week. And I imagine Tom had a come to Jesus moment with a lot of them and then they performed very well

Smitty 44:37
I imagine. Yeah, so imagine what the report of the whole year behind them the Super Bowl, you know that when they have I think you’re gonna have I think Evans could easily have. Yeah, like I would say I would say I wouldn’t be shocked if you had a 1200 yard. You know, 13 Td at reception season. I really, really would.

Derek 44:56
Yeah, I could see that happening. Alright, let’s go ahead and talk about Chris Godwin who finished as wide receiver 30 to 65 receptions at four targets 840 yards, seven touchdowns just under a 14% target share, and definitely not the the thought everybody had on what Chris Scott one was going to do in this offense coming in. After that season finish in 2019 have wide receiver to the guys What are your thoughts here on Chris Godwin

Kevin 45:24
Godwin’s the guy that I’m targeting because I can get him a little I get him a little bit more of a value. So Godwin missed four games last year. Part of it was a calf and I think the other I think the other was a quad if I’m not mistaken, and I handed her a maybe it was a hand I think it was okay. Oh, was it the finger the finger and had to get the pin put in and then for net arrojo had the same thing happened when? late in the season? Okay, yes, the will he or won’t he? Yes. Okay. Um, anyway, so God was the guy that I liked, because when he was playing, his target share was actually healthier than what Mike Evans was seeing. So Mike Evans had, you know, three or four different games have four targets or less. Godwin had one of those in in games where he played and was actually on the field. Other than that, he was seeing a consistent share of six to eight targets a game didn’t get in the end zone as much as is Mike Evans. But he’s not six five he’s only six one you know, he’s a guy who’s kind of controlling the middle of the field a little bit more than Mike Evans was. He’s not the 5050 ball guy that that Mike Evans is either he’s more of a you know, quick slant and go deep in deep outs type thing. But I like the fact that while everybody was healthy guard or Godwin saw more targets than Mike Evans did. And when it comes to taking that value piece, I feel like touchdowns are so freaking unpredictable, right? Like, we can think we have a beat on touchdowns. But there’s very few guys that you can you know, bank on 10 Plus, like that’s a high number for NFL receivers. 10

Smitty 47:20
you’re like your life is on the line though. 17 games is Evans have 10 or more touchdowns or under 10.

Kevin 47:30
I think the I think the probability of him going 10 or higher is greater than 10 or less because Tom Brady‘s the quarterback, but I hate guaranteeing double digit touchdowns for anybody. Like that’s your realm. Right? And I get that you’re you are Mr. bold prediction, and I will gladly listen to your advice on that. But that’s where I kind of shy away is the only guy in the NFL that I’m telling you. I guarantee we’ll have double digit predictions is Davante Adams outside of that, I think everybody’s up in there.

Smitty 48:04
Yeah, I mean injury could definitely take him out but that’s where the handcuff comes in. And I think the handcuff can be moved right over to this scenario to to your point nine I think he’s on pace for like 90 receptions. I believe it was like about 1200 yards and about nine TDs if he if you extrapolate the 12 games over 17 because we have an extra game now. So he would have been on a pace for 9012 109. So it comes down to injury risk for me with Godwin. Because I know he didn’t he didn’t miss any time his first two seasons but he feels he just feel has that feel to be a guy that’s going to be kind of banged up. And if you get Antonio Brown, you’re covered. You know that’s a way to I think, get your 1100 yards, your 10 TDs and your 80 to 90 perceptions is having Godwin and Tonio brown and I’m not asking anybody to start both of them at the same time but I think you will know if God wins in or out in enough time to use Antonio Brown or not using Tonio brown in in in 17 games you will have those stats and Tom Brady will have more rapport with all those wide receivers like Alex said, so I think Godwin Evans, you can’t really go wrong with either. And in the scenario I painted earlier where you go, McCaffrey, Clyde, JK Dobbins, I’m fine, with Godwin being the number one wide receiver or Mike Evans being the number one wide receiver in that scenario. And I actually was faced with that dilemma in a league where I went running back running back running back like that, and then I had Godwin and Evans in a back to back situation and I was like, why not? Like it felt weird. It could burn you to if the Bucs have a bad game. But you know, I think Godwin’s got a lot of upside. He just has a touch more even though Evans is always banged up to he seems to play and I just like like ask that question life life on the line we get more than 10 TDs I think even if if Evans missed four games, he could still somehow find a way to get 10 TDs. He’s such a crazy TD monster and he’s had I think only two seasons of his seven where he was under eight touchdowns. So I feel like Tom Brady says I could just see it now there’s gonna be there can be at least two games where Evan says at least two or three touchdowns in one game. It’s just the kind of guy that evidences

Derek 50:23
of it. So we got a question coming in. And we’ll, we’ll just get the one word answer. It’s from Samuel Jacob wits. Who do you think will be better this year? dehler Darrell Henderson or golladay? It is a PPR format. 10 man, standard ESPN roster.

Smitty 50:42
That’s a tough one. Because you got you got golladay who’s already banged up again, but had so much potential like I bet you every one of us had gone in our top 12 wide receivers this time last year. And I mean, he’s got a decent quarterback situation, Barkley if he’s healthy, which is a whole nother debate. And I was everybody’s getting riled up on my live earlier today because of my Barclay talk. If you guys want to go there, I could definitely go there. But But golladay I mean, that’s the thing. If he’s healthy, he’s gonna fall out. I think he’s gonna have a least a wide receiver to type season from a fantasy perspective. Henderson could be a top 10 running back or McVeigh could screw him like he did in the past and McVeigh is so unpredictable. His running backs is really hard. Even if you think okay, well who’s the competition? If David Jones could be the guy and and they could bring in love Bell? You know, we’re still far away from week one who knows what’s going to happen? I do believe Henderson’s probably in the best spot to get the volume because McVeigh does tend to go with a player that knows the system a little better, even when they bring a rookie and look how long it took acres to get in there. He kept getting hurt. acres is a huge void for me all offseason, because of what I experienced with Henderson. I had big bold predictions for Henderson probably one of my bigger running back misses from the past. And it’s because it was all based on his talent, not looking, I should have been looking more McVeigh, although we didn’t have a whole lot of track record of being inconsistent with running backs because Gurley had had such a long, long reign. So I don’t know how much you could have predicted it, but McVeigh has been so I’m predictable with his runningback usage. Even when Henderson had a real opportunity to start his rookie year. You had you had Malcolm Brown and Gurley both hurt in the same week probably shouldn’t have played either one. But he’s kept rotating which injured running back he put in and then take away from Henderson’s opportunity. But Henderson walks in knowing the system walks in as the veteran even if they brought out somebody from the outside in. I feel like he would lean on Henderson a little more. And I’m really hoping Henderson draut has a season that I really hope he’d have back his rookie year. And he proves me right although gone is a tough player to pass on with all the uncertainties. So I’m going to leave this one to you guys is very very very torn on it.

Alex 53:12
For no reasons other than personal ones golladay because he spent his freshman year in North Dakota.

Smitty 53:18
Make sense?

Kevin 53:22
I would be jumping all over Kenny Golladay if he didn’t just injured his hamstring at Camp like that already. worries me a little bit. I thought his injury last year may not have been as severe as lead on I thought it was a professional decision through the end of that season not wanting to go out and sacrifice his payday more than anything. But now seeing that tweaked his hammy already so soft tissue injury scare the crap out of me, especially for receivers this early, they just seem to linger. And that being said, I’m still going Kenny Golladay because the one thing that Daniel Jones does is throw the deep ball really well like when he’s given time and isn’t planted on his backside because his offensive line, you know, was fourth worst in the league last year. So when Daniel Jones is giving time, he actually has a very good deep ball. And Kenny Golladay is a great high point receiver we saw it time and time again with Detroit. And the connection that him and Matthew Stafford were able to make and golladay was finishing top 12 on like 67 receptions because he’d high point the ball he’d fall in the endzone twice and Oh shit, there you go. He has 12 touchdown 67 receptions and he finishes his wide receiver 11 like that was his 2019 and that was part of the reason we thought 2020 was going to be so great is they were going to build upon that rapport and it just didn’t happen. So the giants are going to be trailing. I don’t see them as a you know, a front running team. This season so I think that’s going to force Daniel Jones to air it out and when in doubt, and they need six points, they’re going to be looking for him in the end zone because they hate Evan Ingram. And the rest of these guys are, you know, six foot one and have arms like crocodiles.

Derek 55:20
So for me, I probably I’ll be the I’ll be the the different, different voice in the room. I’ll probably go Daryl Henderson on this one. A couple of reasons. Right? It’s a PPR format. And you’re talking 10 man type of deal. Well, the way that that’s being drafted um, you know, Kenny Golladay is going to be gonna be down there a little bit, but I can also probably get Daryl Henderson in that format as my fourth or maybe even my fifth running back in that situation.

Kevin 55:47
But when is Matt Stafford ever like thrown to a wire running back?

Derek 55:51
I he actually does it does it a fair bit, but the word i’m saying is where I’m going with this one is the fact that Kenny Golladay is the big play guy and his touchdown dependent a little bit right we look at the season in 2019. It it came down to that finish being a double digit touchdown finish to it. He had what 65 receptions on the eye for over 1000 yards. So he’s a big play kind of guy, which will fit well there. But the fact that it’s PPR format 65 receptions isn’t necessarily going to blow my socks back there. I’ll take what I what I’m going to perceive is a little bit more consistent workload out of Daryl Henderson

Smitty 56:30
Yeah, I probably lean Henderson but I like I like both. And if somebody asked me on either side of this, like let’s say the two same same people came to me like should I trade gone a for Henderson? Same guy says, I probably tell them both. Like if it feels the need, it’s a pretty even swap. And I don’t mind either side. I want to lean handy. And the reason I took myself out of the voting here was because of my my bias for wanting to to eventually be proven right on my Darryl Henderson call so many years ago, this guy Darrell Henderson, coming out of college was number one in college football history since they did stat collection in yards per attempt, like in more 20 and 40 plus yard runs I believe than anybody in the nation that entire year in the last few years. Like he came I know he came out of Memphis and he had vanilla defenses everybody talking about competition but he came out with some of the most jaw dropping statistical advantages over the other running backs in the class like this has been a botched you know type of situation for a long time for Henderson and I just hope he gets a shot I just fear like I fear McVeigh truly screwing this one up. The only thing that makes me think he can’t is that he’s he’s the veteran like he’s the one and McVeigh proved with Malcolm Brown that he would lean on him. And so, you know, I think he’s gonna lean on Henderson no matter what happens early on and if hendi can stay healthy he did really well last year in some spots like he looked really good. And if he can stay healthy Henderson is gonna have a big year. But we’ll see.

Alex 58:11
Awesome, then but before we move on from this to Samuel and Jason know each other are they leading us on here? Is this like actually a coincidence?

Derek 58:19
There you go there’s your answer. Well, Jason, that’s an insane coincidence Who would have thought four random dudes there it’s random dudes.

Alex 58:25
No, I I don’t buy I don’t buy it for a second. I think these two dudes are in the same league trying to one up each other on their drafts. They’re they’re not

Kevin 58:32
a conspiracy theorists that’s Get out of here.

Derek 58:37
So um, see and Samuel even says Definitely not. So. Jason Samuel hopefully that that answered your questions and you got some different viewpoints and you can, you can make your own decision based on on the cases presented there. So let’s go ahead and we’re gonna hop on over to the next wide receiver and that’s Antonio Brown. we’ve, we’ve talked a little bit about him, but you know, through half of the season last year, wide receiver 5545 receptions 61 targets, 483 yards, four touchdowns. 10% target share, guys, your thoughts on Antonio Brown.

Smitty 59:12
As I said earlier, I really liked the idea of cuffing him talk to Evans regard when he’s, he’s the only cuff I can think of at wide receiver that makes sense for that in fantasy football, but he’s it’s a fantastic approach. And if you don’t own either of Godwin or Evans I still like the idea of grabbing him as a bench wide receiver that you won’t use until the opportunity presents itself but walking into a week where he starting and if anybody thinks that Godwin and Evans can’t miss the same game, they haven’t been watching those two guys over the last two years because they can be banged up at the exact same time. And you know, I if I wouldn’t put it past those guys to miss the same game together one or two times during the year I could see Antonio Brown being the only healthy wide receiver of the three Like two games, I can envision it now. And if you own them, you’re going to get big numbers for those two games. So it’s kind of like that Chuba Hubbard example you asked me, would I rather have this this or this or guarantee me only two stars from Antonio Brown. I would take that over, you know, other commodities that you may never use all year.

Kevin 1:00:21
Yeah, I, I like Antonio Brown. I like the lure of saying I have Antonio Brown on my roster. He’s another guy who’s fun. Like he’s a fun guy to have on your fantasy team. And, you know, the schmidty I don’t know that I had thought about the wide receiver handcuff aspect until you brought it up here. But listen, you talk through that, like I can completely suit subscribe to that like it makes a ton of sense and you know, trying to think of any other comparable situation and the only one that I can think of that might come close is if Cooper or city lamb goes down and you have Michael gal like that, like I won’t be the only other one. But regardless, Antonio Brown you’re getting at a discount and Tonio brown you’re getting in, you know, the the ninth round even later in some drafts because guys are taken flyers on young rookies, and they want to see what Denzel Mims is going to do or Elijah more like Antonio Brown makes sense. Makes sense. Especially in redrafts like I don’t need the mysterious rookie upside in the ninth necessarily like give me a guy on a high passing volume team that you know, the quarterback likes like it’s no secret Tom Brady likes Antonio Brown and right wrong or indifferent that that personal friendship and admiration, you know, game respect game type deal, Brady’s gonna find a way to keep a be happy. Like, there’s no doubt about it. And I love Love, love quarterbacks and the second year of in versus offense. So I, I see no reason that I would shy away from Antonio Brown, if he’s going to be my fourth wide receiver. You plug and play you see what the matchup is you fill him in if one of the top two guys gets dinged up, but all things lead to fantasy production. And that’s what you need for bench players when you have to slide them into your starting lineup.

Smitty 1:02:26
I apologize guys, I’m gonna have about a four minute hard stop. I’ve been live literally since like 9am. So I I’m gonna have nobody out there outside the studio waiting for me if I don’t jump in for so. Any other any other quick topics we can talk about. And I don’t mean to jump on you in the middle of this. But one thing I wanted to ask was you were on the giants. And I know this is a Tampa Bay show, but this is kind of how my mind works. I just you know, what are we? What what kind of pops up and what I think people might want to hear based on the conversations we’ve had. But Barkley, are you guys. Are you guys on the barkly train right now based on the news that came out today? Because my thinking is this and I’ve been I’ve been cranking this this out on my content for a while. is Bart Barkley’s not near 100% right now, and just because he was activated from the puup list, a lot of people are taking that and you especially see it in the analyst, you know, level, they’re taking that a running with his hand, okay, he’s back on my top three or four, him being activated from the pupi doesn’t indicate anything other than Okay, he’s gonna start taking hits, they want to see where he’s at. He’s really, he seems far further behind than he should be, given how early he tore his ACL and as much as I want to back Barkley as much as I want to believe in them in in. I feel like people are approaching this without any caution at all. And you’re talking about a guy that I think should be ranked around a 1213 or 14 overall value, where you’ve got Hill, you’ve got digs and Adams already gone. You have Zeke gone. You have all the other running backs gone. That’s where Barkley feels safe to me. It’s not that I’m fading Barkley, people hear what they want to hear when I come out on with this content. They go, Oh, you’re fading Barkley, you’re gonna you’re gonna be wrong, you’re gonna be sorry. And I’m not because if Barkley does bring what a lot of believers think he can bring to the table, Adams is still going to bring that like and you’re avoiding all the risk that’s involved with it. Until Barkley with an ACL tear, or in the case of Mike Thomas. I told everyone to stay away from Mike Thomas until we knew exactly what was going on. The moment that injury news broke or the moment surgery news broke where he had surgery. And people didn’t know what that meant yet because it got clarified later. But everybody was like he had surgery. Okay, he’s back. He’s back. Thomas is back. Everybody blindly wanting to believe without any factual information at all. We’re like this guy’s back. He’s gonna be a top five wide receiver again. What surgery did he have? He had five damaged ligaments. Did he have the the deltoid surgery that he needed that he needed before? Right when it happened? And he practiced on it played on it all offseason? And maybe like your car having bad alignment. What did you do? What damage did you do trying to literally work out on this damaged deltoid ligament. And then when news broke that he had just had the surgery, all the people reacting without any kind of factual information at all got burned again. And so Barkley, you have no positive information whatsoever. Other than that he got activated from the PRP list. Before that it’s all been negative, it’s all been he doesn’t know where he’s at, doesn’t know if he’s going to be ready for week one. It’s not that he can’t deliver or be a top five running back at the end of the year. He could, but until until a player proves that they’re back and ready. And they’ve got to prove it to you to earn a fourth round pick, in my opinion coming off that injury. It’s it’s not a safe place to go at four or 5678. Overall, what do you guys think of that? Well,

Kevin 1:06:02
please subscribe, I completely subscribe to that I got into this. I got into a fight. Like and I guess I shouldn’t say fight. But I got into a pretty interesting argument on this show when we were covering the New York Giants, because I said clear as day, say Quan Barkley is not a top five running back. And our guests did not care for that. And so it was it was one of those. It was one of those shows. So funny, interesting moments of our show, because the whole theme of the show changed on that one statement, like I instantly became public enemy number one. But a lot of those same things. He hadn’t shown anything back and this was two months ago when we covered the giants. I mean, this wasn’t even.

Derek 1:06:47
This was May, I think is Yeah, so back then. So

Kevin 1:06:51
but very much for the same reasons, no positive news, I still don’t like the offensive line, we still don’t know how he’s actually going to cut and how his leg is going to respond from recovering from ACL injury. The giants are not going to be a front running team. There’s a whole bunch of different reasons why I don’t like say Quan this year as a fantasy performer. If I’m drafting a guy in the first round, my first round picks are safe. I do not gamble with my first round pick because history has shown us that you cannot win your league in the first round, but you can damn sure lose it in the first round by taking a bust. And for me, I’m staying away from that I am risk adverse in the first round and so say quants off the table, I will take Nick Chubb, Aaron Jones,

Smitty 1:07:41
and you can go all the way up, you can go Adams or hill or I love digs, take digs and then take Antonio Gibson as your running back one, or Harris or whoever you like, Aaron Jones can fall there too. But I like Gibson more than I like say Kwan right now and that’s gonna ruffle feathers. People are going to get upset name calling

Derek 1:08:02
ah better than I like, say Kwan.

Smitty 1:08:05
Yeah, name calling ensues after that, at that point. It but it’s blind. Everybody’s blind. And I’m not saying and Alex, I don’t know what your stance is. And if you love Barkley, like I’m not saying you’re blind, but I’m

Kevin 1:08:16
saying Alex, you’re freaking blind. No, that’s it’s, it’s not. Go ahead.

Smitty 1:08:22
Oh, no, I was just gonna say the belief that Mike Thomas would be okay was absolutely blind. The people saying the Courtland Sutton is gonna be way better than Judy this year. He’s the he’s the alpha. Like, it’s as if they don’t even know he tore his ACL. I don’t know if anybody’s seen the footage of sick of Courtland Sutton running routes for the knee brace. But he’s not he does not look anywhere near 100% yet he could get there. We still got another month. It might take him a month to get going like he can get there. I’m not saying that Sutton can’t become the guy he once was. But I feel like there’s so many people without any information on this injury stuff. And and I pride myself on a lot of the injury coverage that I do. And I will admit, I actually like Barkley at four or five in January, February, and I talk a lot about it on my show. But I’m one person that does not dig their heels in. If I get new information, I get a different feel. I’ll hit my people right away and be like, Look, I’ve got an update on how I’m feeling about this guy. Barkley went from four or five overall down to now at the turn, and I still feel uneasy about it because I like Antonio Gibson better. Like if push comes to shove I wonder what I’ll do at 13 overall, if it’s Gibson and Barkley, I really do and like you said Clyde hours later people can laugh at that all they want right now Clyde is gonna blow up in 2021 I firmly believe that new offensive line the fact that he didn’t learn how to pass protect, he couldn’t with the pandemic, and this guy’s gonna have a big year he can’t get game scripted out anymore. He’s gonna be a part of that wide receiver that part of that passing attack when they do go pass heavy. And I think they want to run a ton more to they just couldn’t last year with a broken offensive line. Back on point I just I feel like I feel like Barkley, you know, if Barkley ends up being a top five running back at the end of the year, I will lose zero sleep over it. I will feel badly about it this much 0% because my advice is safe, my advice still gives you potentially the same amount of points that gives you safety. And it’s also the right decision until you know that he’s back because this could be the Mike Thomas situation, we could find out in a month that Hey, he’s got there’s a reason why it’s taken. So long as anybody asking that question. Why is the most athletic man on the universe in the universe? Not ahead of schedule, when he tore his ACL and what week two? Why is he Why is he still unsure? About week one? No one’s asking that question. I’m not saying he needs a second surgery, or that a cleanup job needs to happen. But it wouldn’t shock me like I don’t know what is taking him so long when he’s got like an I explained this on my show all offseason, when you tear your ACL, your ACL is responsible for keeping that knee joint tight. And when you tear that ACL, you essentially have some looseness in the knee, because that’s why you gives out when you walk. And so you have your LCL. Here, you MTL here, and your ACL, say Quan Barkley, and players like him have so much surrounding muscle around their knee that neither of none of us have, like our knees are probably bony. You can like he’s got muscle wrap knees. And garrison Hearst, if any of you know who that is, or I know I’m an old dog here. But garrison Hearst didn’t have an ACL when he entered the NFL, he walked into the NFL Draft process, they did a test on his knee and they said you don’t have an ACL. And he had no clue. He had no clue it they, they they tracked it back to a high school game where he tore it. And it’s because his thigh strength was so strong, and his surrounding muscles around his knee. were so strong. He didn’t even need an ACL. his knee was completely tight. The joint was tight, as can be, say Quan Barkley is the same type of setup with his quads and muscle strength, that he literally you could have walked in probably a night, the ACL fairy could have taken his ACL out of his leg. And he wouldn’t have noticed the next morning if it was done precisely. Because the man had such a strong knee and tight joint. You know, he could have he could have done what garrison Hearst did.

Alex 1:12:23
So I offer, I offer two things here. Two things that I agree with what you’re saying here, Smitty? I do. But I and I think that of the potential first round pick sake one is definitely the the biggest wildcard and the highest risk that you will take. But I offer two things. One, he’s 24 years old, the body responds a little bit better when you’re 24 than it does if you’re 34. And two, the Giants know that this is their cash cow. They know that this is their guy, and maybe being a little bit more cautious with him is the best way to go about things.

Derek 1:13:04
Well, the other thing to keep in mind there is he didn’t have surgery right away. They waited, I want to say they waited a month to two months after that injury before the surgery happened if I’m remembering that correctly, which would have set the timeline further back, you know, by four to eight weeks, somewhere in that range there because the surgery didn’t happen right away. So that’s that’s something to kind of keep in mind there too. But you know, somebody you you brought up that you saw him around there. 12 1314 that’s actually where I’ve got him ranked going in this was was number 12. He had to it took a Cam Akers going down for him to get into the top 12 for me.

Smitty 1:13:42
That’s a good sir. Okay, range, I just can’t believe people are taking the puup News is kind of my point. Maybe Maybe I get too amped up about it. And people think I’m by my tone that I’m saying avoid them at all costs. And I’m not I like him at that that range right there. But people are taking this pupi News, he got lifted up as if Okay, we’re in the clear, he’s back. And it’s such a blind reaction. That’s kind of more of my point. And Alex, to your point, they do need to be cautious with them. And that is does an excellent point. But that also could be three or four weeks of him not being the same player. And that’s again, why people need the package in the 12 1314 overall value. And then your other point was, was good. What was it? It was he’s 24 years old? Oh, that’s a good point. But also, it is getting to that age, I believe is 25. Where you you can’t look at ACL tears the same though so he’s actually right on the verge of that that timeframe where it is not optimal anymore. He is slightly under it, but it is a big difference to be coming from the college game with a torn ACL. No big deal. Priest Holmes a lot of players came out with torn ACL didn’t even know he like really they tore their ACL on college. You know, Dalvin Cook, a lot of guys have had torn ACLs that come back completely 100 but right around I believe is 25 it’s not the same and it’s a lot harder Jamaal Charles would be the exception to the rule. But he also was a very light guy, you could look at his frame being part of the reason for that Barkley is very heavy. The other thing I’ll say, on the injury front, and then I got to run is why our running backs not lasting long anymore in the NFL. It there’s a lot of factors at play. But part of it is everyone’s bigger, they’re stronger, your ligaments don’t grow, your ligaments do not grow. And when you have as much torque and muscle and evolves, as say, Quan Barkley does with his leg muscles, and everything you are putting your ligaments at, you know, they’re stressing those ligaments out more than than other people were in the past. So that’s one factor. And I’ve had doctors on to talk about that kind of stuff. And it’s interesting, because no one really has an answer. They can’t say, Oh, it’s because of this. Is it? Because defensive players are bigger, stronger? Is it because running backs are bigger, stronger? Are they taking harder cuts? Is there more torque on the ACL? No one really knows. But it’s got to be a combination of all those things. And so for those reasons, I also worry about a guy coming back like say, Quan, because he won’t, you will compensate. If he’s not 100%. Ready, his body will have to compensate, in order to do the things that he’s trying to do on the field if he’s not ready. And that will lead to other injuries, just like the alignment of a vehicle. Like I said, if it’s off, it’s going to create other problems, he will tear his hamstring, which is often accompanied by an ACL tear that next year, there’s always like a hamstring issue. And so if he’s not 100, on point, and he’s not because he said he doesn’t know where he’s at, I worry that if he does rush it, and get on the field, that will be another injury. So that’s kind of my stance on Barkley is not popular, I can tell you that right now. But that’s kind of how I feel.

Derek 1:17:00
Let’s many we appreciate, we know that you got to run, we appreciate you coming on and taking the time. You know, it was it was an absolute pleasure talking to you. Real quick before you go. Let’s make sure that the listeners know where to connect with you.

Smitty 1:17:12
I appreciate it, guys. It’s been fun. Smitty. One, calm, you can find me on YouTube every Tuesday and Thursday from 5pm. Eastern to 7pm. It eventually will be a Monday, Monday through Friday, two hour a day show. And you can you know, you’ll find me live all the time. So and and yeah, sometime I’ll have you guys on my show. Probably probably a little bit more toward, you know, the middle part of the season. Cuz we got a lot of things booked and booked up on it. But I would love to have you guys on sometime and reciprocate. So I appreciate you having me on.

Derek 1:17:44
Absolutely. Thank you. And you’re welcome back anytime. Just Just hit us up. Let us know. Okay, very good. Thanks, man. Have a good one. Alrighty, guys, so big shout out to Smitty for coming on and, and helping us break down some teams and going through that. Yeah, if you haven’t done so hop over there. schmidty one calm, I give his you can connect with him there. Be able to subscribe and to the YouTubes and all of those good things there. Thanks, Smitty. Let’s go ahead and hop back over into the tight end room. We got Rob Gronkowski. They’re tied at number 845 receptions. 77 targets 623 yards, seven touchdowns under a 13% target. Sure, guys, your thoughts on the grock

Kevin 1:18:27
I think gronk is a great tight end value this year, honestly, like he’s being forgotten. Guys are falling in love with Irv Smith, Jr. and what the Patriots are doing between Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry and Bobby tonyan, who got all of this production off of seemingly like fifth now what was it 36 catches and I know that’s not the exact number but you know, just just to prove a point here like gronk still has it and Brady still loves gronk and he is a great redzone asset. There are some games where he’s just scripted in a bit more but as far as tight ends go. If you’re waiting on tight end, pick up gronk please pick up gronk like he is absolutely in my game plan for 2021 as if I’m waiting on tight end, I plan on picking up gronk and I have a you know Jared, every draw ever from from the Seahawks is another guy that I have my eye on super late because I can stack my team out with running backs and wide receivers and then fill it in with tight end and if I really hate the matchup I can drop Everett and pick up someone else but I’m keeping gronk because the value is there. And he’s a great piece of Tampa Bay’s offense for a Tom Brady security blanket.

Alex 1:19:55
The only thing that scares me about him is his health. And will he you know I hate to use the cliche but your your greatest ability is availability and will he maintain availability throughout the course of a season that is the the gamble that you had to take when you take gronk but with where gronk is going and where you can pick him up it’s not that big of a risk to take because you can stream tied in and and you can you can work your way around to having a different person in that tight end spot week in and week out especially if you’re waiting on tight end that that late in your draft. But yeah, I like I like him. But I am not sure that I will be targeting him.

Derek 1:20:43
Well, Kevin, and I can fight that one out there and we’ll we’ll go ahead and battle each other for who gets to have the gronk on their squad gronk is is a guy that I’m absolutely going after. And because of the way that I tend to construct my teams is a lot of that reason because right now he is a guy going very late. You’re talking right around that pick 100 mark to it. So he’s right around that nine to 10 range which about early said I’ll start really looking for tight ends and this is a guy that so outside of your top four tight ends right when you’re talking you know Kelsey, kiddo Waller Andrews type of thing outside of those guys tight ends start becoming very touchdown dependent. Well, why not take a touchdown dependent tight end if you’re going that route, Rob go and Kraus he’s got the best connection with probably any tight end to their, to their quarterback of anybody in the league right now. Right? Like we’ve seen that he came out of retirement.

Kevin 1:21:43
I think JB drunks might be better, but

Derek 1:21:45
Well, maybe, but to the point where he came out of retirement to play with Tom Brady. That’s what I’m trying to say the chemistry is absolutely there. To the point where if you’re going to get a touchdown to dependent tight ends, you might as well take a guy that catches a lot of touchdowns from the quarterback. And I’m subscribing to the same method that Kevin’s talking about there, where I may actually go a little bit more of a wildcard there and put three tight ends on my roster just depending upon if it’s a deeper bench. But typically it’s going to be a guy like a gronk a guy like Gerald Everett, and then I’m probably trying to shoot the shot on either Blake Jarwin or, or Adam Troutman down there in those, those those deep double digit rounds. They’re just because I like the way that that comes to play. And that’s that is one of the ways that you can set that up and start streaming the position there. Any other thoughts on grok? Alrighty, OJ Howard last year injury shortened season was one that we had some higher expectations coming into last year that didn’t happen. Let’s let’s go ahead and talk about OJ Howard. Any thoughts for him for fantasy 2021

Kevin 1:22:53
he’s gonna have to prove it to me before I roster him anywhere.

Alex 1:22:58
streaming, he’s a streaming option. And and even then he may not be your first option when you’re looking at streaming.

Derek 1:23:07
There. Yeah, I am. I’m right there with you. It’s one of those that I’m just gonna let him be there. He’ll be a guy that will easily be on the waiver wire after the drafts. And, you know, we’ll we’ll see what happens with that one and go from there, but it was not a draftable player for me. Quarterback room, Tom Brady showing up they’re proven that he’s still got a quarterback number eight 401 completion 610 attempts, 65.7% completion percentage, 4633 yards, 40 touchdowns. 12 interceptions, did a little bit of work on the ground. Really just putting up about three touchdowns there on the ground. Guys, your thoughts on Tom Brady?

Kevin 1:23:47
50 touchdowns, nine interceptions. 5000 yards passing this season.

Alex 1:23:56
Okay, so that would put him a little higher than what I have him ranked at QB nine. Just a touch higher than that. I and you know what’s crazy? Kevin? I don’t think you’re like I don’t I don’t think that that’s as bold of a take is it’s like it might you know, appear on its surface. For the whatever he is 44 now 4344 year old. I I will say that I think that what we saw last year is a good barometer for what he can be because he still figured it out. You know? I mean, yes, they were seven and five. But they figured it out towards the back half of the year, but statistically and there were a few games that were stinkers, but statistically I don’t think he was that different from weeks one through 12 as he was weeks 14 through the Superbowl. So I think you know, consistency is what Tom Brady‘s game is in the Like, I can totally see a 50 touchdown 5000 yard season. But I’m more inclined to think that we’re probably closer to what he had last year than that.

Derek 1:25:10
Yeah, I’m Kevin. I thought I was incredibly bullish on Tom Brady this year. And yet I had to go back through and pull up my, my projections and where I started them out and turns out I’m not quite as bullish as you are on him, because I’ve got him just under 5000 yards 4900 and some change, but I’ve only got him right around 43 touchdowns there. I also see him as about finishing that QB number five overall there. So Alex, yes, you are, you’re nowhere near as bullish as Kevin and I but turns out I’m not quite as bullish. As Kevin, it sounds like

Kevin 1:25:45
I The more I think about this, and the more I’m looking into it, the more I truly believe it, because just the sheer numbers, right, and I and I know what I said earlier about It’s hard to predict touchdowns but is is it not realistic to think that Mike Evans and Chris Godwin both have 10 touchdowns. gronk and Antonio Brown each have eight touchdowns. And then you have Tyler Johnson and Scotty Miller, who are going to plug in for probably three touchdowns a piece. So that puts us at about 40. And then you have your running game by my rough, rough math, about 48 between the running backs and roughly or a wide receiver that we’re not necessarily thinking of, or maybe Mike Evans does get to 13 like schmidty was saying, right, and that puts like, none of those numbers individually. If you lay that out in front of anybody, does this sound realistic for this player? Yeah, that sounds realistic. Does this sound realistic? Yeah, that’s Well, guys, that’s 50 touchdowns, like in 17 games. 50 touchdowns for a pass heavy offense, led by arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. I just don’t see why this isn’t. You know, extremely unlikely.

Alex 1:27:12
I don’t think that he plays 17 games. How dare you and not because he gets hurt. But I think because he takes he takes week 18 off because they will block up their playoff spot already.

Kevin 1:27:24
There’s only one buyer now. Remember, they don’t do buy?

Alex 1:27:28
Okay, exactly. Which is why I think that they’ve they lock up their playoff spot. Right. So they’re either they’re either in the buy or? No, I think I think, look, you’re either in the playoffs or you’re not. I don’t know that they’re going to be contending for that number one seed. And even if they are, you know, I don’t think it comes down to week 18. Okay.

Derek 1:27:51
Yeah. I don’t know. I can see them. Alex, I think you’re right. I think he probably sits week 18 there. Um, I don’t know that they’re going to be

Kevin 1:28:04
that fantasy week anyway, I don’t give a shit. Right. Not it is. It is it means nothing for our purposes,

Derek 1:28:10
but But actually, that that does Bode some fantasy relevance there. Because if we’re saying that, hey, we don’t think he’s going to start week 18 against Carolina. Um, that means that that will Kevin’s lay it out there. And which I’m not far off from Kevin there either means that those weeks are going to be more productive when he is playing. Because that will be spread out over a you know, it will have a large spreading out. It’ll be a smaller concentration there. So yeah,

Alex 1:28:44
I totally buy into it. Kevin, say it like I I’m right there with you. I think that that is a in the realm of possibility.

Derek 1:28:54
Absolutely. So guys, any other thoughts on Tom Brady? Any other thoughts on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?

Kevin 1:29:05
Lots of fun fantasy pieces, especially the passing game. The running game buyer beware. Like I said, I I don’t know that I like any of them redraft. I think best ball is where I like rojo the best. And Schmidt he had a good point. If you’re in a really deep league take a flyer on geo. I mean, worst case scenario, right? They decide to do something crazy. And you know, whether it’s trade fodder, you end up having a plan one random week or whatever, but lots of fun fantasy pieces. This is a fun team.

Alex 1:29:37
So that’s what I would say yeah, in the running back room is is a approach with caution. The wide receiver room yet what you can when you can, because it probably won’t be around for very long. And then obviously with Tom, you know, it’s Tom.

Derek 1:29:56
Absolutely, absolutely. I love it. Great tags guys appreciate, yeah, we are putting all of these we’re going through, we’re chopping up a lot of these player profile videos, all of these things that we’re putting them into little like three to five minute videos that you can watch. And you can get our thoughts a little bit more condensed on these players, you know, so that you guys are able to prep for those, those drafts going in. But the place that you’re gonna find them is over on the YouTube channel, make sure that you hop over there, click the subscribe button, click the little bell button, we are putting out those videos, we’ve got like one a day coming out, I think the rest of this month to really get you guys prepped and ready to go for your draft. So you don’t want to miss that. Guys, we we’ve got a little bit here, we’re gonna save some of our actual tier breakdowns for next week. But I do want to lay some of the groundwork there for you know how we talked about some of the tiers based strategy, right, that’s something that that we talked about a fair bit here on on some of the tiers and how that goes. And so kind of just lay the groundwork here for what we’re going to talk about next week, which next week is heavily draft strategy. If you’ve got questions on how to draft draft strategy, make sure you tune in next week. But guys, when you’re talking to your based type of drafting, like why do you see that as being important?

Alex 1:31:17
So I’ll start because because Kevin’s, Kevin’s probably going to speak a little bit more eloquently about other position groups. But really what where this started for me and really looking at it was with tight ends. And maybe because it’s the easiest one, it’s low hanging fruit, where there are such clear tear breaks when it comes to tight ends. And it’s starting to become a little muddier within that but for for when I’m looking at a tight end, it is will I get Travis Kelsey? Or will I get somebody else? That to me is is where the tears are. Now it’s a little different in running back, and wide receiver rooms because they’re obviously there’s more players. And there’s more, there’s a better chance for points out of those those position groups. But tear based never really came onto my radar, really until we started doing the show. But with tight ends, that was kind of the the big eye opener for me was how did we look at tight ends? And how was it affecting my thought process when I went into a draft with who I’m targeting at what spot.

Kevin 1:32:38
So I like to tear based approach because it takes your reminds you to take the fandom out of it. Right? Like if I’m looking at this group of players, I believe that this group of players all have about the same potential to do X. And x is a variable, right? We learn that in basic, you know, algebra, x is the variable. But I believe that all players have the ability to do X, and there’s different tears, I set up my tears maybe a little bit differently than these guys do. Even like, you know, my top tier is, you know, these are the guys that I think can finish number one overall, that is tier one. If I don’t think you can finish number one overall at your position, you are not in Tier One, you move down, and then it kind of jumps in into different areas like that. But mainly the tier based system is to take the fandom out of it, that it doesn’t matter whether it’s Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Ben Roethlisberger, or Andy Dalton in just names, right? If I believe that all these players can do X, essentially, now you’re in the same tier. So now I’m not pissed and I’m not panicking in a draft if Derek takes the top guy in my tier. And Alex takes the second guy in my tear. And if it’s if it’s a position of need for me, right? I’m not panicking, like it’s like, okay, you can have Player A, you can have Player B. And if it comes to me, I can go player C or I can pivot to a different position group that maybe I feel like has more success overall, right? Not just positional tear great groupings, but overall tear groupings. So there’s some of that layered within it, but, you know, it helps me know when do I pivot? When do I follow the run? When am I okay, being at the back end of a run? You know, it’s not always the fun thing to do. Like they tell you don’t chase don’t chase well. If you truly believe that Three to five players make up a tear in my mind. You know, if you’re at player four or five and the back end of that tear, you believe that they can finish where the first one was, or even their ceiling might be one tear up from that. You’re still comfort, you should still be comfortable with that. So I like to tear based drafting, I do it a lot. It’s it I have, what I would consider a very proven success. Successful track. Track. Record track record, excuse me. It’s like, sorry, yeah, track record with that. So that’s why I believe in it. And that’s why I pumped it so much during this during our programmer,

Alex 1:35:44
I will add to that, and Kevin brings up a good point is, you know, we’re all football fans, right? We were all that. Generally, we got into the sport. And we we’ve met a few people doing the show. But we got into this sport, because we were fans of a certain team, right. And we always, you know, we might look at guys on that team with rose colored glasses. Fantasy Football does not care who you’re a fan of. It is a scientific based approach as scientific as you can get with trying to predict the future. And it is it’s it’s a more scientific based approach to constructing your team. So I don’t always adhere to it, I will have a strategy in mind and I will have players in mind. But I feel like if I did adhere to it, I probably would be able to flaunt as many trophies as my two co hosts.

Derek 1:36:40
So yeah, the the tier base will definitely help you get some more cash and trophies, they’re using our shows tagline there. But yeah, Kevin, Kevin. And I do definitely do our tier basis, a little bit different, right? Like we were talking a little bit before the show. And, you know, Kevin sets his up, like, I’m a tier one guys, like he sets them up as far as where he sees them finishing. number one overall, and I’m not far off from that. But I do it from a little bit different standpoint on how he does that, when I’m setting up my tiers I do it based on so I project out, you have just about every player almost imaginable that’s going to have any fantasy relevance there. And go team by team and go through all of those things. And when I’m sitting on my tears, I look at it because what you’ll see, from a statistical standpoint, you’ll see clusters start to happen if total point output there. And so, you know, while I may not have the same number of guys in in there, or I may have a little bit deeper Tier or something like that, that’s just because of how that statistical cluster fell for me, where I will see, you know, between, you know, the sixth guy and the 10th guy, total ranking, like that might be a tier for me. And each one of those guys may break down to the point where I see a, like a one or two point per game basis difference there. So you’ll see these guys were, you know, unlucky on one more touchdown can change the the trajectory for those guys. And so that’s kind of how I I base that, even though English might be really tough right there. And, and I kind of base that throughout and go through it that way where I’m, I’m doing it based on where these statistical clusters and these outliers are going to play out, which leads kind of back into that point that Kevin was making, where you are going to get these guys that are ultimately going to finish kind of right around one another, which allows you to look at your draft and go, Okay, cool. I see these set of running backs are going to finish in this kind of tier based deal, which means that I’m going to get roughly this kind of expected out point per game type of thing. These wide receivers are here, and it allows me to even kind of stack these tiers up a little bit against that and go through it. Because even when you’re going through your tears, while you may have a running back tier one and a wide receiver, tier one and a quarterback tier one and a tight end tier one doesn’t mean that Oh, just because all my guys out of my wide receiver, tier one is drafted, I need to go to my tight end Tier or pivot that way. It allows you to stay stay a little bit more balanced when you’re when you’re drafting and really look at long term projections and really balanced your team so that you’re not just drafting it. You’re you’re able to have that strategy throughout and bad and draft a balanced team that will allow you to win those cash and trophies. Yeah, it’s a good thing. trajectories and track records. It’s not our Yes, although it might have to be. Alright, well

Kevin 1:39:47
guys, I’m looking forward to next week. It’s probably my favorite show that we do all season long is getting into the draft and kind of explaining my method. You know, the method My madness and hearing what you guys have to say and what people think about it. But this is the show that this is the show that you don’t want to miss. Right? The team breakdowns are fun, quite honestly. They’re, they’re tough. Like, it’s not necessarily the easiest thing for 32 consecutive weeks, breaking down a team, and not all teams are all that fun to, you know, cover. And, you know, content wise, sometimes it’s a struggle. But, but this the drafting where you set the foundation for your fantasy success. This is what makes my heart happy. Like this is what does it for me when it comes to fantasy football. So I am super stoked for the show next week already.

Derek 1:40:49
Absolutely. The, you know, we’ve got, we do have a bunch of great, great shows coming up here to close out the month, right? We’re going to talk a lot, we’re gonna go heavily into our tier based systems through all of the different or the through the different positions there, we’re going to get into some of those strategies, right? Like when you’re talking about running back heavy, zero, rb, what those things look like what those really mean, the following week, we’re gonna finish out our tier base, we’re gonna get into some DFS stuff. We haven’t really done that a ton, but we’re going to bring up the some DFS stuff, we’ve got a very awesome guest coming on to help walk with us on that one that knows, knows a ton about it. And then we’re gonna get into some are like auction drafts, strategies, draft values there to close out the month there. So we’ve got a ton of great content coming your way. Make sure that you hop on over there to all the socials Twitter, Instagram, Facebook at good old boys, FF. Subscribe there. Follow us. Any final thoughts for the listeners? Guys?

Kevin 1:41:48
Stay tuned. There’s still lots of news and notes coming out. And if you have questions, ask there’s lots of drafts firing off right now as we start the redraft season. So let us know what you’re thinking. Obviously, dynasty is still in effect as far as trades go. But this is when the season gets really fun guys, like a lot of people don’t follow it as closely as we do. That’s why we’re more than happy to provide content about this year round. But now, even the novice and intermediate fantasy owner and fantasy player, they’re starting to get the itch now to like this is when it really starts to get fun. So stay tuned, ask lots of questions. And we’re here to help.

Alex 1:42:39
I forgot to mention this right off the top of the show. But the either of you to watch the preseason game, the whole thing, perhaps a freaking lewdly I didn’t grab a second of it. Mostly because I’m making cowboys territory now. And I just didn’t feel like watching that. Anyways, but the wonderful television show Hard Knocks. As we record this debuted tonight, and I’m going to find my way to being able to watch it because it’s surrounding the Dallas Cowboys this year. And I’m very interested to see how old number four looks. week in and week out here in preseason.

Kevin 1:43:23
Yeah, over under on how long it takes Yves Egan to become a Cowboys fan.

Derek 1:43:27
Six weeks. That’ll never happen. Six weeks.

Kevin 1:43:33
I’ll take the over I was at least another year, but it can never happen. I have too many I have to watch though. They’re so fun to watch.

Alex 1:43:45
That’s fair. But I know too many people that are cowboys fans that I have too much fun giving crap to so I can’t in good conscience having made those jokes in the past.

Kevin 1:43:57
Selling cowboys the cowboy celebrate America’s my mom’s team. Like that’s how I got hooked on football. Honestly, when my dad It was my mom talking about the Dallas Cowboys and watching those games and that’s kind of who I grew up on. She didn’t love it. Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman just light everybody up, right? Like I remember getting to stay up late for the Monday Night Football games, you know, you know, being in second third grade and my parents would let me stay up late and watch Michael Irvin

Derek 1:44:27
watch and all those guys. Hell yeah. Yeah, he wasn’t really done anything since then. So, guys, I think that’s gonna wrap up this another yet another episode of the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Make sure you hit us up on the socials. Do not miss the opportunity now to go to YouTube, do it. Go ahead and head on over there. Click the subscribe button ring the bell. We have a ton of content coming to you. We’ve also got the rankings posted on the website of the website. goodoldboysff.com For Kevin and Alex, I’m Derek. Have a good one. Be safe.