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Alex, Intro, Derek, Kevin
Intro 00:05
You’re listening to the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Now here’s your host, Kevin, Derek and Alex.
Derek 00:13
Alrighty, welcome in ladies and gentlemen to another episode of the good old boys fantasy football Podcast. I am Derek and I am joined as always, by your co host, Kevin and Alex. Guys. How are we doing tonight?
Kevin 00:24
We’re doing pretty good guys. The 2020 NFL season is in the books. Kind of a blah Super Bowl, right? It’s a typical Tom Brady Super Bowl right? His team came out dominated. They did what they need to do to win, the other team did not look like they came prepared. Like it almost looked like we were watching the Patriots from like, 10 years ago, play that game. It was so methodical, and so regimented, and the defense was dominant. And, you know, Kansas City had a lot of underlying storylines between Andy Reid son being involved in that car accident. And not that, you know, it’s not to take anything away from Tampa Bay. But you got to think that some of these players and coaches were just feeling for their coach, right, their minds might have been in other places. And that’s not taking away from what Tampa Bay did. It is just acknowledging the fact that we’re, we’re all human right? these athletes are human and as superhero esque as they can look on the field at times. Real Life crap still happens to these guys. And it’s not fun, and it’s not always pretty and glamorous. But it’s just Unfortunately, the situation that we have to be in lots of lots of prayers and well wishes to that little girl and her family. I’ve seen reports of tons and tons of donations being poured in to help her medical expenses and everything else like that’s awesome. Good for you NFL community for stepping up into trying to help out in that cause. But I’m gonna digress back to the game here a little bit, man, Patrick mahomes looks like that poor dude was running for his life right the next so the day after ESPN next gen stats came out with Patrick mahomes ran a little over 500 yards while under pressure so either before being sacked or before he threw the ball whether it was a way or an incomplete pass whether complete or not. 500 yards guys, holy crap. That is not something that you want your quarterback to have to do, regardless of who it is. And the scary part is Mahomes was on target with a lot of those like the the past one was that was in the second quarter guys where he was diving kind of off to the side. He looked like he was three or four inches off the ground, kind of a sidearm, hooked it to the front right pylon, and he hit the receipt right in the helmet.
Alex 02:52
Somewhere in a second half. It was second half. I don’t remember if it was third or fourth quarter. But yeah, that was that there was like back to back plays where it was like, Oh my gosh, that’s the most incredible incompletion I’ve ever seen. And then then in the next play happens, you’re like, no, that’s the most incredible incompletion I’ve ever seen.
Kevin 03:11
Yeah, it was. It was crazy that, you know, part of this not all of it. Part of it stems from Eric Fisher and it’s torn Achilles and the state or excuse me, the Chiefs having to move around three offensive lineman positions for for starting spots for the Super Bowl. And you know, what they tried, but against that buccaneers defensive line. It was it’s just phenomenal and and Tampa Bay was the latest of defensive teams. I say defensive teams when Tom Brady’s your stinking quarterback, but teams that have a powerful front for where you don’t have to bring five and six guys to apply pressure. Or you can sit back and keep your two high safeties. And you can just let your front for wreak havoc and they did it with different for like it wasn’t always the same guys. There were a couple plays where jpp would drop off into the flat then Shaq Barrett would drop off just a little bit and when they wouldn’t Shaq Barrett lived in the backfield he was he was probably a strip sack away from winning the MVP over Tom Brady, Shaq Barrett had that great of a game and he’s about to hit the free agent market and get paid. So kudos to Shaq Barrett hell of a game. Congratulations to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. What a cool story in a crazy year to have zero time together. Their training in high school parking lots essentially are on the field there to being able to say you’re the first team to play Super Bowl in your home city to bringing the Super Bowl home in your home city. tons of great stories from it. So kudos to Tampa Bay and the NFL. Very well done for the 2020 season.
Alex 04:57
Okay, I’m gonna take issue with the fact that you said it was coming have like a ho hum Tom Brady Super Bowl because he has played in very close Super Bowls historically, throughout, you know, if it weren’t for Adam dignitaries right foot, you know, we’re not talking about seven Super Bowl rings for Tom Brady, we’re talking about maybe three. So he is played in some very close games. So the fact that okay for that he is playing some very close games. So the fact that this one was kind of a, quote unquote blowout in that it was more than 10 point differential was a little surprising. I think the biggest surprise, to your point, Kevin was the lack of offensive firepower that we’ve seen out of the Chiefs all year. And it does come down to that that offensive line being patchwork and not being able to contain the rush from Tampa, but I mean, Tampa held Patrick mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs without a touchdown. Like that is absurd to think about that, you know, I was out here saying hammer the over hammer the over? Well, boy, we were I think a lot of us were in the hammer the over camp, because these are two very good high powered offenses that we’re going to go up here and Tampa Bay’s defense must have caught the memo that said, You know what, we’re not going to let this be a high powered offense, we’re gonna get pressure with our front four, front seven. And we’re just gonna sit back and keep our two safeties high and not let tyreke Hill do what tyreke Hill did to them in week 12. But that that’s just it was a clinic, and how to shut down the the Kansas City offense. Now, again, granted, Kansas City was dealing with a lot of stuff with that distraction of, you know, the unfortunate situation involving Andy Reid’s son, and, you know, having to deal with the strangeness of your barber testing positive for COVID, in the middle of haircuts, and you know, that there was a lot to deal with in the, in the days leading up to this game. Even, you know, to your point, Kevin, as a, as a human, you know, there’s just things that you have to deal with that take your focus away from the game, you want to be laser focused going into it. But, you know, the real world doesn’t work like we all think it does when you’re going into a Madden game, and all those guys are row. They’re not robots, you know, they’re they’re real people. So, yeah, I think that, I’d hate to say that it did play a part, but you’d be silly to think that it didn’t. And then, you know, having to deal with that patchwork of line that just just couldn’t was not equal to the task that that sample was bringing. Heck of a heck of a game though. And honestly, I think I said this last week that I was rooting for Tom Brady, because we are witnessing something that I don’t think we’re going to witness ever again in our lifetimes. And if we do it will be just as special and that is a guy that is winning Super Bowls. at a rate that is unbelievable. I mean, he’s 42 or 43, whatever it is, and he’s still ripping off Super Bowl wins, like, is crazy. It is something that we will talk to our kids about to our grandkids about. You think about it now and you ask your dad or your grandpa, hey, what was Johnny Unitas like, that’s what we’re gonna get? What was Tom Brady? Like? Like that’s the and we were able to witness that. And that’s so cool. To be able to see it real time.
Derek 08:11
Yeah, some interesting things that kind of stuck out there was one how much the game is won and lost in the trenches, right, like as much as you know, that game was hyped up of two premier quarterbacks going head to head. Tom Brady, the kind of the greatest of all time with Patrick mahomes. The next generational talent right there ready to take the mantle? And is this really the passing of the torch type of game, this really turned into a game that was one and last in the trenches. And when you look at it, Patrick mahomes was pressured more times in that game than any other quarterback in the history of the Super Bowl. The only other one coming close was Jim Kelly, back in the early 90s on some of those teams, so kind of one storyline there. You also look at the fact now that Tom Brady has more Super Bowl rings and titles than any franchise in the NFL history in the Super Bowl area. Like that’s something else kind of to think about there. And we’ll kind of get into some more of the, you know, the game breakdown and some of that a little bit later on in the show. But guys, we do have a phenomenal episode for you. We’re going to go through some of the news. There’s quite a bit of it to get to right awards started coming out lots of good things there. We’re going to hit up some more coverage on the Super Bowl there. We’re going to hit up our righting wrongs as far as our props went and some of the things we covered last week on the episode there Kevin shaking his head. So yeah, it’ll be a lot of fun. We’re gonna get into some of the early quarterback carousels. It is that time of the year. Go ahead and follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, if you haven’t already done so at good old boys. FF. Do us a favor, log on to the website. Check it out. We’ve got lots of really good stuff there and even more to come over the next couple of weeks and months. But guys, let’s go ahead and kick on over into the news Aaron Rodgers was named the 2020 MVP. Justin Herbert won the offensive Rookie of the Year chase young one defensive Rookie of the Year. Aaron Donald was Defensive Player of the Year. Derrick Henry was the Offensive Player of the Year Kevin Stefanski was the head coach of the year. Alex Smith won the Comeback Player of the Year. Patrick mahomes is set to undergo toe surgery in the offseason. There’s grumblings coming out a little bit in Seattle about Russell Wilson and his desire to not be sacked as much as he’s been. He’s approaching the 400 sack mark. Very quickly in his career. Marty Schottenheimer passed away. Longtime head coach in the NFL, the Eagles are looking to move on from Carson Wentz. And while we saw lots of reports coming out that there were deals really close earlier in the week. pro football talk came out earlier today saying that the Eagles just haven’t seen a an offer that they feel is fair for Carson Wentz. And the Hall of Fame class is is announced ready to go and that includes you know, new inductees of Peyton Manning, john Lynch, Charles Woodson, Alan faneca, Tom Flores, Calvin Johnson, Bill Nunn, and drew Pearson. So guys, what are your some of your thoughts and takeaways around the news here?
Kevin 11:18
Here’s my first thought is, if you’re if your MVP for the season, is an offensive player, how can he not win Offensive Player of the Year and I understand wanting to acknowledge the great season that Derrick Henry had. And maybe that’s just their kind of way of doing it. But let’s but let’s think about this, if you were the Offensive Player of the Year, that award is given to the best offensive player regardless of position for said league year, right? So if you are the best at your side of the ball, and the guy on the other side of the ball is his best at that side of the ball. Neither one of these guys are even in the MVP race. Like even really even considered Derrick Henry might have had like 2% of the vote, I think it just seems a little weird. And I understand why they did it. But God, it just seems weird. Like if you’re saying Aaron Rodgers is the most valuable player in the NFL for the 2020 season? How is he not the Offensive Player of the Year for the 2020 season as well?
Alex 12:30
Because these awards are stupid.
Derek 12:34
So will you at that point isn’t the MVP just become the best quarterback of the Year award? Is that like
Alex 12:42
that’s what it is? No. And that’s unfair to literally every other position on the football field. Because I mean, yeah, there’s obviously you’re gonna get your lineman of the year and your linebacker the like all that stuff’s gonna happen in terms of positional words, but why not just change the MVP to the best quarterback of the year because that’s what it’s turned into. The quarterback is such a valued position that if you don’t have a good one, your team is going to be horrible. And if you do have a good one, your team’s gonna have success I mean, that’s what the pack the Packers were the best team in the NFC. So I get that you know, and he was obviously the the catalyst for their their success. So I get it that the MVP award definitely like there, they need to take a hard look at it. But it’s that there will be some words anyways, like it’s something to make these football writers feel good about themselves, for them to have a say and what what’s going on, and it’s getting to the point where I hate to jump sports but Baseball Hall of Fame votings the same way. It’s such a it’s such a joke that why even have it anymore? So but but I’m with you, Kevin, if it’s if you’re not if you’re the MVP, how are you? Not the Offensive Player of the Year, but I think they need to split it up. I think they need to have an AFC and NFC if that’s what they’re gonna do, because you’re playing obviously different competitions. So like you play everybody. Or you get to see everybody at least once a year like you do and all the other leagues. So how would MVP, you know? It just it’s just weird to me that that’s that’s the format that they choose. I was a little I saw the tweets from JJ Watt after Aaron Donald was named Defensive Player of the Year and I got a kick out of it because obviously his brother was in the running for that Defensive Player of the Year. And I think Aaron Donald Well, he is definitely a disrupter. And it’s hard for defensive linemen to especially interior defensive linemen to gain the notoriety that that they deserve. They don’t get the numbers so much because their job is to literally take on two or three offensive linemen every play so that frees up the other guy’s to go get the sacks and the the fumbles and what have you so I see JJ watts point but Aaron Donald was crazy dominant in his role and continues to be crazy dominant. And I’ll tell you right now, I think if you pulled just about every team, you know, who would you rather start your defense with? Aaron Donald or TJ watt, I think you’re gonna go there and Donald because as we just saw in the Super Bowl, games are won and lost, upfront. And if you can have a guy who can be that disruptive and take on three guys on any given play, and occupy their time, that’s somebody that you’re gonna want. Stefanski winning Coach of the Year, I thought was was a good, good for Cleveland. I mean, they made it they made it far get to the playoffs and whatnot. And there’s no surprise when it comes to Alex Smith winning Comeback Player of the Year that the second he stepped on the field. He was winning Comeback Player of the Year that story is unbelievable. And I hope that’s one that doesn’t get lost on us over time, because that is a made for Disney movie.
Kevin 15:59
In all seriousness, it is arguably the greatest comeback by any player in professional sports history. What not real came back from like, it is an amazing story. And I couldn’t be happier for Alex Smith.
Alex 16:15
Absolutely. It’s a shame that he plays for Washington. But it was, it was unbelievable story that if you know if you go to be the the movie pitch, you know, go to the studios and say, Hey, I got this, this story about this guy whose leg, you know, he was at the top of his league, his leg gets destroyed. And he takes all this time and he comes back and he gets to play again and be like, wow, that seems a little seems a little too fake to me. You know, like that’s, that’s what it is. So the fact that that’s real life is is unbelievably cool, that Alex Smith was able to get back onto the field. I want to talk a little bit before we get into the Hall of Fame class, I want to talk a little bit about mahomes and the toe surgery, or that may require surgery. Did you guys think that that played a little bit of a role? Obviously, you ran 500 yards before he threw the football? But do you think that that might have been a little bit a little bit? Uh, you know, one more thing that was wrong with with Kansas City heading into that Super Bowl game?
Kevin 17:16
I didn’t feel like it so much like I was I paid pretty damn close attention to especially in the first half right? How did he come out? How is he feeling? And I didn’t see him limping around. Like in the first quarter he was he was peeling out and running for first downs and, and keeping plays alive. And I didn’t feel like that hampered him. I felt like a bigger issue was the clunky play calling from Kansas City. Like that team had little little spots of stagnation throughout the season. But every NFL team does, you don’t think much about it. But they were just kind of clunky guys. Like they had a little bit of success running the ball at times and then they’d get away from the run. And they were trying to force it down the field against a too high safety look all the time. Honestly, that eight yard Travis Kelsey hitch in the middle of the field was open all game long, like Mike mahomes could have been, you know, 35 of 45. And Travis Kelsey could have had 25 of those receptions if they just would have ran the same play over and over and over again, to force one of those safeties to step up into that gap. Or force Tampa Bay to play more of a zone then than what they had to just a couple different things. But as far as the toe goes, Alex, I didn’t feel like that hampered him. God knows they’d never used that as an excuse, but I didn’t. I didn’t see him limping around. I didn’t see him hobbling on it or shaking his foot out trying to kind of loosen it up like you get those little indicators that something’s just not right. I didn’t see any of that from the homes.
Alex 18:53
There was one point where I thought I saw him limping a little bit but that might also have been because the fact that he was under siege literally the entire game. Yeah,
Kevin 19:00
the the floodgates just opened on that offensive line. It was crazy.
Alex 19:04
I also think before we go more into the Superbowl before maybe we’ll get to that in a little bit. But I also think the the interesting thing here is the the asking price for Carson Wentz. Well, after seeing what LA and Detroit just did, homeboy that asking price had to jump and I I even saw a report that Chicago was close to landing a deal that would have involved Nick foles which is hilarious. Nick foles is going back to Philadelphia, but it seems like Philadelphia is going to ask for the moon. And I don’t think any of these other teams are going to deliver and I think we will see Carson Wentz back in an Eagles uniform. This this is turning into another made for TV movie with what’s going on the drama that’s going on in Philadelphia.
Kevin 19:56
I completely agree and I’ll save some of this for the QB carousel Because there’s no sense in revealing all my you know thoughts and opinions about it early but the asking price is unreal to think that they are going to get anywhere near what the what the lions or Rams deal was. Is is just ludicrous. The price tag on Wednesday is too high. Both those quarterbacks have played at a higher level more recently than Carson Wentz has. Yes, youth is on his side. Yes, you if you’re Wentz truth Are you believe that the 2017 season can be replicated, even though we’re now three years removed from it like I see why the Eagles might want to believe that he’s worth that much but the other 30 ones on inside the NFL
Alex 20:50
Don’t you say you as long as he’s 28 I mean like he’s not he came out as a fifth year senior like Yeah, he’s been in the league for for four years or whatever but like he’s 28 but
Kevin 21:00
for quarterback gauge that’s young we’re not talking a wide receiver here coming up at you know, he’s 28 on a second contract and making this money these quarterbacks now.
Alex 21:10
I mean, do you even consider quarterback being older until he’s like 36? Or 37? But the way Tom Brady’s playing because he’s won but five Super Bowls after he turned 35? Like, pretty?
Kevin 21:22
Yeah, you have Tom Brady. But I mean, Aaron Rodgers is doing Peyton Manning like I’m gonna use this to kind of segue into more Super Bowl talk here for us, but Tom Brady, in what he’s done. You could argue that is the greatest gauntlet of quarterback, the quarterback play that any Super Bowl champion has had to go through. With the exception of the Washington football team, right? That’s the one. Yeah, that’s the one. But that kid, honestly, that kid might have played the best out of all the quarterbacks that is true that the Buccaneers face.
Alex 22:05
It’s funny. Before we get going to look to lump him in to that conversation is like, I don’t remember who it was. But there was a famous basketball player. And it was the day after Michael Jordan scored the game, the game that Michael Jordan scored like 82 points or something like that. And this guy had had two points. And he goes, he was asked afterwards in the locker room. Hey, can you talk about the performance that you saw from Michael Jordan? And he says I’ll never forget the night that me and Michael combined for 84 points. It’s just unbelievable. To include Taylor had a key in the likes of Drew Brees and and Aaron Rodgers. When he did play very, very well, and like that game was very much a question. Until it wasn’t but yeah, that’s that’s kind of what that reminds me of is he gets kind of lumped in there with with that gauntlet. Yeah.
Kevin 23:01
It’s just it’s just crazy. Because Yeah, that’s the outlier. And he’s, he might have been the one that played the best, right, good because you go from him. And then you go to Drew Brees. Right. The saints have pretty well wiped the floor with the Buccaneers during the regular season. And then Tom Brady shows up in the playoffs and knocks off MVP Pro Bowl caliber Super Bowl champion Drew Brees. Okay, the next week, then you’re at Green Bay in not bad weather but cold weather. Right. It’s It’s January in Lambeau. And while it wasn’t like Blizzard, you know, blizzard conditions. It was enough, right. We saw the wind play a little bit of effect on some of the on some of the throws, but Brady does the same thing. League MVP of the season, Super Bowl MVP, winning quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and wins again. And then he does against Patrick mahomes League MVP Super Bowl MVP from the year before, arguably the greatest quarterback of now, in Patrick mahomes. Obviously, there are 52 guys on each roster and it’s not just Tom Brady, and it’s not just these other quarterbacks but just the accolades and accomplishments of kind of the stacked quarterback room that Tom Brady went up against to get this Super Bowl Championship. I think it’s probably the the most testing gauntlet that any Superbowl champion has had to go to go through, at least defensively, right? That what the Bucs defense was able to do against these caliber of quarterbacks is something that quite frankly, no one’s really talking about. right they’re talking about Brady went into seventh and what this does for his legacy and the Chiefs didn’t play well. And this this and this holy crap guys. The Bucs did it for You know, seven straight weeks really from week 12 week 13 all the way through or something of that nature but in the playoffs when it mattered most against the best competition and of that generations best quarterbacks in Brees and Rogers and then of now our current generation of quarterbacks mahomes. Holy cow like the I can’t say congratulations and kudos enough because when you truly break it down, and you look at it at all these different angles, this championship for Tampa Bay is absolutely remarkable on so many different levels and just all the ways to break it down to even you know, shower them with more praise is insane. Like I just don’t remember being able to do this for a Super Bowl Championship team in the last I mean 1015 years 20 years like it’s been a long time since you’ve had this type of accomplishment from a team that came in through the wild card round to win a Super Bowl Championship.
Derek 26:09
So guys let’s go ahead and we’ll kind of get into some of the some a little bit more Super Bowl talk here. Before we get there we’re gonna go ahead and just kind of recap some of the things that we got right got wrong. So guys, we all miss the over we all had the over of Kansas, Kansas City in Tampa hitting the over on the points. Every one of us missed that. Kevin, you and I both missed the call in Kansas City to win that. Congratulations Alex. You called correctly the Tampa wind Good for you. But as far as our props go we had it was kind of 5050 as far as getting those right you to both lead the pack there with eight total correct there I got seven and it was really kind of a mixed bag all over the place with who got what right and who got what wrong. But guys, what was probably your biggest takeaway or your biggest surprise on some of these props?
Alex 27:03
Oh, I know my biggest one CVS is lack of showing the Gatorade pour though. was unbelievable had to go online to find out what color Gatorade it was that got dumped all over Bruce Arians back and show like a replay.
Kevin 27:18
No. But if you flipped over to his did I did catch you
Alex 27:22
later. Like Yeah, covered it left and right, because they were cuz everybody like they knew that that was the talk like it had to have been trending on Twitter, because that’s a very famous prop bet. That that people make. So I think that was that was the most shocking thing. They didn’t even show like a replay of it or anything. But, yeah, prop bets or prop bets. They’re, they’re fun. And, you know, I definitely had my my timer out for when the anthem started which that way, way over two minutes. That was something else right there.
Kevin 27:57
first chord by Eric church, and you knew right,
Alex 27:59
like, well, so that’s just started. Yeah, I knew that he was going to be playing a little bit slower of a tune. And then you had obviously it’s a duet so that you know, both artists have to get their their share in but that was what I kind of was was curious about too was how some of these houses will take it, you know, is it from the first note that’s played? Or is it from the first word that sung to the ending? Nevermind, I mean, it still went way over two minutes, regardless of if you started it at the first note or the first word. Because that was I think it was something like two minutes and 20 seconds, two minutes and 30 like us, it was way long. So I was happy to to get that one correct. little bummed about the poem. First word. I was a little bummed about that. But I was very happy about the scoring drive shorter than the anthem. So every second over two minutes, I kept going I was like, Alright, this is good. We can have a scoring drive that shorter.
Derek 28:59
Yeah. Especially when you start looking at inside those two minutes and that two minute offense. Yeah, they, they just kind of March that thing right down there and put that one up. Rola. Real quick and easy.
Alex 29:09
That was a touchdown point. Like it wasn’t just a field goal, scored a touchdown scoring drive that was shorter than two minutes. So that was,
Derek 29:15
that was fun. So a lot of fun there. You always check that out on our website, good old boys ff.com. Those Super Bowl profits are still up there. You can take a look at what those were. And that’s a lot of fun. But guys, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers did win the Super Bowl. Tom Brady won his fifth Super Bowl MVP. And the Super Bowl ratings were actually down this year. Only about 96 point 4 million viewers. That’s the lowest watched Super Bowl since 2007. So guys, any additional thoughts on the Super Bowl?
Kevin 29:48
The Boston Market garnered a higher rating for the Super Bowl than the Tampa Bay market did.
Alex 29:55
Now I want chicken
Kevin 29:58
I just thought that was very interesting. I get it this the population of Boston and everything else. But it this is what happens when you have to mid market teams. As great as the storylines were for the sports fan. You didn’t have that allure of maybe the the casual fan because it’s not in a major metropolitan area. I’m sure the NFL is bummed about that. But I, I’m not gonna say I’m overly shocked. But I am a little surprised. I am a little surprised. But it’s not like my jaw hit the floor when I first saw that, like, You got to be kidding me. Yeah, okay, I buy it, whatever.
Alex 30:39
And I don’t know, Derrick, where you got those? What what those numbers include? If they include all streaming and everything he did? They did. Okay. Well, that’s really unfortunate for the NFL perspective,
Derek 30:50
from what I could tell it was roughly about 91 million, somewhere in that neighborhood as far as TV watching, and then somewhere in the neighborhood of just over 5 million as far as streamers went.
Alex 31:01
But I think I think there was a couple things that were that were working against the Superbowl first off there, there is still a large population that does not like the NFL for whatever reason. I actually know what the reason is, but I won’t get into politics on this show. You can figure that out for yourself. Second reason,
Kevin 31:19
hold on, hold on. I’m gonna speak to that real quick, because I thought the players never they thought the NFL didn’t have those big political statements in 20, like they had in years past. Right. We’ve seen big league statements
Alex 31:32
they did going into it, though, and those people will hold that. I think that there’s a population that will hold on to that. I mean, there was all that there was all that, you know, social justice. I mean, think about think about the opening kickoff game where the fans in Kansas City booed the social justice, you know, demonstration that they had before kickoff, I mean, that, sure, it wasn’t all of them, but like that happened, you know, so there is a population out there that is done with the NFL. And it’s really sad because it’s a pretty good onfield product.
Kevin 32:05
I do think I think you’re right to that point. They did have some of that. But it’s not. I feel like the NBA has been much more in your face about it. I feel like baseball last season was a little bit more in your face about it. All that social justice stuff happened. May June July NFL is not in season those to the NFL had been fighting that battle for
Alex 32:33
absolutely five
Kevin 32:34
years now. Kaepernick Right. Yeah. first started taking a knee and then it kind of branched out from there. A couple other players, couple whole teams, you know, this is what we’re doing. For all the NFL things we’re at times, we shake our fist at them a little bit and go you boneheads, like what are you doing and blah, blah, blah, whatever they were doing, either made it right with the players. And the players felt like the NFL was taking proper steps and that they didn’t necessarily that they weren’t needed to go above and beyond or whether something else happened behind the scenes. You didn’t see as much of that, I guess is what I’m trying to say and why it did sour some fans.
Alex 33:23
I don’t sour the casual viewers. I shouldn’t say that. It’s Howard fans. It’s showered the soured the casual viewer, those people that will tune in just because it’s Super Bowl Sunday, you know what I mean? Not not really NFL fans, but but they’ve taken their stance, and that’s fine. Whatever you want to do.
Derek 33:37
Here’s an interesting thought for you. Right, like you’re talking to casual viewer, the casual fan. And the kind of the thought I had when it when it came down to it was you probably lost more of the casual viewer, casual fan, you know, going into Super Bowl from the standpoint of what does the casual fan and casual viewer viewer typically do on Super Bowl Sunday? They go to Super Bowl parties. And that was much more scaled back. You know, across the board this year, it seemed, you know, and rightfully so. Right? Like, yeah, they’re they’re doing their own things, whatever. But
Kevin 34:12
do you think this is more of an accurate representation of what Superbowl viewers actually are? Right? Because I would have these groups and you assume what’s there and that’s built into some of the noise of the viewership numbers. So is this more of a accurate? Really the TV’s
Alex 34:27
the way that viewership numbers work though? It’s all it’s all an estimation, right? It’s, it’s all an estimation, and you put it out there and you only have so much, you know, verifiable data when it comes to this stuff. So like streaming services, like they know, they’ll know exactly how many streamed it when it comes to, you know, the satellite cable, all that other stuff. It’s all an estimation anyway, so it’s very complicated how they come up with these numbers. But to hear that it was the lowest since 2007 is probably disappointing for the NFL. But to say there was two more parts to this, that I think played into Not a lot of people watching was the first part that I brought up. The second part was the halftime act isn’t exactly one that’s going to get, you know, get the people excited. While it wasn’t terrible, it was I mean, it was a halftime I didn’t know about Yeah, a lot of people didn’t know about the weekend, you know, the the 4050 year old moms, they’re not gonna they don’t know about the weekend, you know, it’s just what it is. His his audiences, obviously much different. And then third, there was all that press about all these, these companies that were going to take a different stance when it came to commercials this year. And like it or not, there’s a large group of the population that watches just for the commercials, because they have no rooting interest in the NFL, they may not even know what football is, they just want to watch for the commercials, because that has become so much of what the game itself actually is. And when you hear all these other companies come out, and these corporations come out and say, and these commercials, we’re not going to have you know, we’re not going to have all these funny haha commercials, we’re not gonna, you know, we’re gonna scale back our advertising. Well, that that also probably puts a hamper and people are like, I’d rather you know, spend my Sunday doing something else rather than watch Kansas City and Tampa Bay, you know, Midwest team and a very, you know, it’s Florida. So, so that’s just I just don’t think there was a that’s probably what led to this number being as low as it was
Derek 36:36
right on Tampa Bay is historically been one of the worst teams in the NFL. When I actually was looking through some stuff, they’ve got the lowest win percentage of any team in Super Bowl his the Super Bowl era when it comes to the NFL. So if there’s not a diehard, you know, the diehard fan base in there isn’t near, you know, what it is with other with other teams. So if same thing to right, Kansas City brings a little bit to the to the party, but then having won last year, there wasn’t, there wasn’t kind of that same intrigue there. So plus the fact that that game got out of hand and wasn’t really a game in the second half. I think you also saw a lot of people tune out or never even tune in.
Alex 37:14
Can I go back to the profit. So it has nothing to do with the profits that we did, but I was in a Super Bowl squares, and I had 00 and I had Tampa Bay for Kansas City. Right. So so I had 00 Kansas City scores field goal first, I think, Okay, great. We’re still on track for 1010. Like 1010 can happen Tampa gets seven. All right, sweet. We’re still on track for 1010. I can get my money on 00. And then Tampa kicks that field goal, but they were offside. Kansas City was offside. They take those points off the board, then Kansas, Tampa goes down scores a touchdown. And I was like, that’s how this is going to go. That’s that’s what we’re gonna do. And it happened again, Kansas City gets to nine campus at 31. And then they just shut down and they don’t do anything. And I was I could not believe the bad luck that I had when it came to my Super Bowl squares this year. It was just it was it the writing was on the wall after Tampa kick the field goal. And they took those points off the board. I was like yeah, that’s that’s how this is gonna go down this this year.
Kevin 38:20
Speaking of penalties real quick before we move off, I know that there were some correct yet questionable calls. So we had this discussion a couple weeks ago right? Of pass interference, in your opinion, should the two pass interference plays against Mike Evans, one in the end zone where the ball was clearly over his head and hit the back padding like halfway up. And the pass interference that I looked at it and thought it was incidental contact because the cornerback was completely turned around. He was watching the ball like he was running in that direction. But you can see he was completely turned around looking for the ball. Again, maybe uncatchable but that one’s a little closer right? You can you can say that that was a catchable pass. But I proceed. I proceeded as incident contact like what did you guys think about those two in particular because they happen on the same drive. And then obviously led to a Tampa Bay touchdown, which further increase the lead and seemingly took the wind out of Kansas City sales right before halftime.
Derek 39:31
So I I don’t agree with much of what phil simms has to say on like anything. But during during the halftime show, he made a comment that I was like, oh, yep, nope, I would agree with that. And the comment was that the refs were a little too involved with what was going on with the game and and had a little bit too much of an impact going on with what was happening on the field. And that was one that kind of stood out to me because it was it did seem like the refs had a little bit more More of a an impact on a game than what we had seen all season. And it wasn’t necessarily as consistent as what I would what I had seen throughout the season leading up to the Super Bowl. During the second half, I think they course corrected that a little bit and reeled themselves in there. But during that first half, I thought they had a little bit more of an impact, and then I had seen them having in a game previous.
Alex 40:22
Okay, so there’s a couple of facets to this. I don’t remember the second pass. And for the I guess the first one that you brought up, Kevin about the one in the end zone. I don’t recall that one. Right offhand. But I do recall the long play that that, you know, Tom Brady was obviously taking a shot, that’s a ploy to either get a long pass play or get the pass interference, call it smart play college. What that is, it’s a smart chance taken by Tom Brady at the end of the half and trying to get free yardage out of the whole deal. I think that that was the correct call, to call pass interference on that. It’s a no win situation for these referees, they’re going to get killed one way or the other. You know, like, that’s just that’s just the nature of, of the position. But I think I thought that that one was the right call. What I was more intrigued by was the amount of defensive holding that we saw flagged against Kansas City. And I think that that was a byproduct of the Tampa Bay coaching staff getting in the refs ears early and telling them, hey, you need to watch the hands, the hands of these Kansas City defensive backs, because they get they get off the hanzi they play to the point where they’re going to make you throw the flag, so don’t be afraid to throw the flag if they’re getting off leanza. And I think that that was you know, that’s that’s part of the game, right? That’s that’s gamesmanship. That’s one of the head coaches jobs, is to get on the good side of the officials so that you might get some of those calls to go your way because again, they’re human too they’re going to see the game you know, as much as you’d like to think that they’re robots, they’re going to see the game a certain way and if you plant that seed in their head before the game well then I guarantee you that was something that Bruce Arians brought up with the officials before the game Hey, look, they get off the hanzi they’re gonna make you want to they’re gonna make you throw the flag and if you don’t throw the flag it’s gonna get out of control so yeah,
Kevin 42:15
I was good with the holding calls like
42:17
I was really just those to me is
Kevin 42:19
interference plays I was curious about I was good with the holding calls they were getting hansy they had him they were grabbing him by the shoulder pad you know as they were trying to break off routes and and Kansas City defensive backs got caught on their heels quite a bit. And so I understood
Alex 42:34
those and that was part of the game plan to for Tampa Bay, like that was that had to have been part of the game plan was make them hold you you know, we’re going to run these these route concepts and make them make contact with you like that, you know that that was part of the game plan going in for Tampa Bay was whether or not the reps would actually call it, which is again, what the head coach is supposed to do. The coaching staff is supposed to do is plant that seed.
Kevin 42:58
Yeah, absolutely. And when you have guys like Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown, who can run such crisp routes underneath, that makes sense. So fair enough.
Alex 43:08
I was just curious. But the best penalty of the night was Anton Winfield getting in tyreke Hills face given him the peace sign after what he did in week 12. I mean it Tony Romo said you know, I don’t condone that at all. And when I thought you know, when I saw it initially, I was like, Wow, that was really stupid. But I didn’t realize the history between the two and after seeing you know the history and remembering that Tyree kill gave him the deuces as he was flying past them into the end zone back in week 12 for Anton Winfield to get that penalty at that time he waited until it was an inconsequential penalty, because he knew he was gonna get the taunting call for it. My man Anton Winfield That was so good I I was so proud of him after he did that because turnabout is fair play if an offensive player can do it to you as your as he’s trotting into the end zone and face no repercussions. Then you damn well better do it to him after you’re about to slip on a Super Bowl ring.
Derek 44:05
We still need to touch on that holophane class going in. So any thoughts on on that Hall of Fame class for 2021 going in.
Alex 44:14
So what I thought was very interesting was how the NFL Did you know normally the all those guys are at the hotel and in whatever city the the Super Bowls and the finalists for the class they’re all down there and then that guy I can’t remember his name right offhand but he goes and knocks on the door and it’s always a knock that you know it’s the best knock you’ll ever hear is what all those Hall of Fame guys say. And john Lynch was fortunate enough to get that but I thought it was cool what the NFL did and how they kind of revealed the class and how those guys were able to to get notified that they were going to camp and that was a lot of fun. And I thought obviously the Peyton Manning one I watched you know over and over to see kind of how they did that because I’m a Broncos fan and it was fun to see Peyton get inducted into It was even better that he did it in Denver, because that’s where he lives now, instead of in Indianapolis, so I enjoyed that a lot. It was really cool. I think obviously Peyton Manning was very deserving. JOHN Lynch. I think he got in because of his contributions after I mean, he don’t get me wrong a hell of a player when he was playing. But maybe hollub good, maybe Hall of great for john Lynch. But what he’s done since he’s retired, is probably changed a lot of people’s minds and viewed him in more of a favorable light. The coolest one to me is Calvin Johnson getting in and that dude, like, it should be no surprise, but that dude change the way that wide receivers are viewed in this league. And, I mean, you’re looking for a Calvin Johnson type when you’re drafting. You know, like now teams are looking for that huge body that can run. I mean, think about like a DK Metcalf, DK Metcalf doesn’t have a place in the NFL, if it weren’t for Calvin Johnson showing that you could do that. You know
Kevin 46:00
what? I’m not sure he does. It’s a tight end.
Alex 46:02
Right? Right. But he didn’t have a place at wide receiver if that’s not what you can do, but, but for Calvin Johnson to get in, and obviously Charles Woodson, that sounds cool, too. But that that is really, really awesome.
Kevin 46:15
I would I agree with that. I very much the same. I’ve been a fan of Peyton Manning for a long, long time he played for the arch rival of my Georgia Bulldogs, so I got to see him in college, but then he went to Indianapolis, I have a lot of family out there. So I have not necessarily ties to the Colts but ties to the area. So I was always happy for them. And watching Peyton, I just kind of fell in love with with how he played the position right? I was just mesmerized by how his Happy Feet and how his authority at the line of scrimmage just carried over and dominated games and at times seasons. So super happy for Peyton Manning. Charles Woodson, absolutely deserving one of the greatest defensive backs that we will have seen. We’ll see in an era that they they let the NFL play a little bit more right so you don’t get to see that type of physical style out of your defensive backs anymore. But Woodson fit the bill both with the Green Bay Packers and his time in Oakland. The guy who I’m super happy for in this class is Alan faneca. He one of the dirties in the trenches. He had nine spectacular seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers before he went on to play for the Jets for a couple years and then finish the season in Arizona with the Cardinals. But Alan faneca missed one game in his entire career. And for an offensive lineman, that’s a huge deal. That is a position that you can get rolled up on that you can lose seasons at a time because of weird ACL injuries and what happens and high ankle sprains and everything else. But he he was absolutely the anchor of that Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line in the late 90s, early 2000s. And the consummate pro he I believe is a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award recipient. So he’s a great person on top of it. So super happy for Alan faneca. And and this is one of the if not the greatest, total Hall of Fame classes that I think we’ve seen right. And it was a little bit of everything you had me had your quarterback, you had your all pro wide receiver, but then you had you had another receiver in in Pearson that most people don’t know much about. He was an undrafted guy played for the Cowboys. He had three all pro seasons, played in the super bowl with the Cowboys. He was great. And then the guy who most folks don’t know anything about and I had to look up myself was was Bill none. So Bill none yet another Pittsburgh Steelers kind of organizational prodigy was basically a super scout for the Steelers and and Bill Nunn made his mark by really going after athletes at historically black colleges and universities. So he did all this in the 70s. Guys, so this is a little bit before the time of the Rooney Rule and and some of the advances that we’ve made in racial equality. I’m not going to claim that you know, all things are squared away. There’s always room for improvement but what he was doing in the 70s and the way he scouted and treated these athletes and the way that he got the Steelers organization To buy in and bring these guys on to help with their dominance in the 70s and 80s is is quite remarkable. He was a an upstanding, upstanding man, he was in the NFL or around football, I believe for 47 seasons. So he was a lifer. And it’s super cool to hear a story like that, right. He had a good cause behind him. He was great for the NFL and advancing what the product was at the time to what it is now. So kudos to him. Congratulations to to Bill none and his family. And overall, I think this hall of fame class knocked it out of the park. I don’t think that there’s a player that I could have asked for extra besides the eight gentlemen that got in here at the end of the 2020 season.
Derek 50:51
Nope, agreed. Some absolutely fantastic guys going in was fantastic careers showcasing really, really all different facets of the game. They’re so absolutely amazing class to see. And that should be a fun one to watch, you know, really kind of right before the season starts as far as those inductions go and some of those speeches, so that should be a really good you know, class to watch go in. Very interested in very excited to see that later on this summer. Guys, any final thoughts for the listeners?
Kevin 51:22
Do your homework, right? Yes, football’s over. It’s even Okay, if you decide to kind of take a week off or a couple weeks off from you know, making it your entire life but don’t completely tune out to it. There’s a lot of information being flooded the quarterback carousel like we just went over where these guys are going how that means for offensive scheme. What these collegiate athletes who have declared for the draft, like just pay attention to some news and notes there, you always have someone who gets in trouble with the law. Like, and that’s sad to say, but undoubtedly there’s someone who’s going to have a bad decision somewhere along the way and whether it’s a DUI or they get popped with marijuana or sounds so old marijuana or
Alex 52:09
Ilana?
Kevin 52:09
Yeah, are you you know, God forbid a domestic violence thing which at times happens you get all sorts of weird, random kooky shit. So just stay tuned to the news like you don’t have to follow it. You know, compulsively but keep an ear to your keep an ear to the ground and just be aware because all these things that happen do fluctuate draft stock for the NFL, and depending on where these guys go, it does then in turn fluctuate draft stock for fantasy.
Alex 52:39
Kevin, you said that football is over but I will put to you that it is not because the FCS formerly division one double A is playing in the spring and they are starting up here in the end of the month. Actually, I think the first game is this weekend. They eligible for the April draft but they are not nine inches Okay,
Kevin 52:59
then I don’t give a shit. Now. I will worry about it.
Alex 53:02
There is football that you can watch on television. And sure it won’t be the brand of Alabama and Ohio State and Clemson but think about it when like Clemson plays like a Towson or Alabama plays a big throw in another cupcake. That’s what you view them like versus like competition. So yes, there will be football in the spring. And in the FCS is where North Dakota State plays in North Dakota State has one eight of the last nine that’s for Carson Wentz. What. That’s where Joe Haig, who almost caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl if it didn’t bounce off of his facemask. Yeah. Which I was going to shamelessly plug myself earlier I have Joe Haeg cell phone number, which probably isn’t active anymore. I had I had Joe heggs cell phone number, but it’s a
Kevin 53:49
man’s face.
Alex 53:50
He’s a lineman Come on. And really football. It really is that’s where you get the likes of a James Robinson a Carson Wentz Trey Lance who’s coming out this year that there’s several dudes
54:03
in that group, huh? Well, he’s from the FCS
Alex 54:05
That’s right So you said good players though. He was a top two draft pick all right, there’s talent at the level All right, that’s all I’m saying. There’s no I agree. And keep your eyes open and if you miss in your football fix try and find on ESPN three or ESPN plus some random FCS game on a Saturday some some Sundays because of how they’re doing things but but there will still be football as I plant my FCS flag it’s gonna be fun this this spring
Kevin 54:36
we get the multicast. I want to see like the seven different versions of watching a game for some of these
Alex 54:43
mega cast Yeah,
Kevin 54:45
watching them go up against Joe Blow you
Alex 54:49
have a Delaware State baby.
Kevin 54:51
Believe it or not, I do pay attention to this. Like I know I tease and I pick on them and I’m a power five truth or I understand but I do
Alex 55:00
Pay attention that I can’t be completely ignorant to what’s going on otherwise I wouldn’t be doing my job here. He was one of the best students at this at the senior bowl was from d3 like Wisconsin whitewater or something, he was a center. So they’re they’re good players at these lower levels and it’s fun when they’re playing like competition. It’s not so much to go up against 85 scholarships and five star you know, blue chip recruits. That’s not as much fun but when they’re playing each other, it’s good time.
Derek 55:29
There we go. Alright guys, I do believe that that’s gonna wrap up yet another episode of the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Do us a favor, hop on to wherever you’re listening to this rate, the show five star review. Leave us leave us some comments there. We do read every one of those that comes in and we very much appreciate the feedback. So make sure you’re also following us on the socials twitter instagram facebook at good old boys FF. We’ve got the website for your enjoyment as well. Good old boys ff.com. For Kevin and Alex. I’m Derek Have a good one. Be safe.