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Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football with Steven Pintado
Intro 00:17
You’re listening to the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Now here’s your host, Kevin, Derek and Alex.
Derek 00:26
Alrighty welcome in ladies and gentlemen to another episode of the good old boys fantasy football Podcast. I am Derek and I am joined as always by your co host, Kevin and Alex. Guys. How are we doing tonight?
Alex 00:39
I’m still cracking up from how we ended last three. If you weren’t here for that one. Derek was having some some computer problems that just the intro there just made me start thinking about it. Laughing Derek was having some computer problems before we could end the show. Last week. He got booted out of the room. So Derek and I were just excuse me, Kevin and I were just sitting there trying to figure out what the hell we were doing. So I
Kevin 01:09
thought it’s all good, man. We’re doing good. Starting to get some interesting news and notes. Coming from the NFL some bits around, Workout, some bits around player signing their rookie deals, some good players still wanting out of their current situations. But it’s news, right? It’s stuff that we can gravitate to that we can opinionate on. And quite frankly, that helps make it interesting. That’s why the NFL is the beast that never sleeps. And I love it. I just can’t get enough and you know, anytime I can see some clickbait on the NFL. I’m that guy. I will go click on it read whatever it is.
Alex 01:43
Yeah, and there’s there’s been plenty of it over the last seven days even. Yeah, it’s been nice. We’re dealing with just like a ton of rain where I am here in Central Texas. It’s been raining off and on for the last five days. I don’t know if you guys watched the FCS championship game on Sunday. this past Sunday, Sam Houston state and South Dakota State was spring football for anybody that wasn’t the spring League, which I think they’re trying to get going again. But that was played in a deluge I believe is the proper term. And it was bad football because of that. And then they straighten some things out and it was an exciting finish. So it’s fun to see some college football wrapping up the spring FCS season and let’s hope to god we never have to see a spring football season like that ever again. And we can just keep playing in the fall like
Kevin 02:40
like we always do. Have you been getting that hail? That baseball sized hail is down there. Is that north of you?
Alex 02:46
It’s been missing us thank God I don’t have my car. I don’t have anything to park my car under where I live. So when I’m not gonna say if because I do believe it is a win win that hits my comprehensive coverage that I just signed up for will come in handy. Oh boy.
Derek 03:09
Alrighty, well, guys, we do have a great show for you. A lot of fun coming on. Make sure wherever you’re listening, watching this, make sure you’re clicking that follow that subscribe button, you know, hit us up on all the socials. But guys, we do have a very special guest joining us tonight. And that’s coach Steve, from the fantasy coaches. Steve, how you doing? Man? I’m
Steven Pintado 03:29
good, man. I’m glad to be back on the show with you guys. I feel like it’s been it’s been a while. I mean, we talked on the NFL draft a little bit. It was cool. But it’s been a while since we ought to all talk and you know, talk some fantasy, you know, it’s a little late on my end over here. But I got my T little Miami Dolphins, you know, a little foreshadowing of what’s going to be happening tonight. But I’m happy to be here.
Steven Pintado Interview
Derek 03:49
Absolutely. Well, Steve, you mentioned it already that you were on here last year helping us break down a team and you’re back to do the same this year. And this is your team here with the Miami Dolphins. But, you know since we’ve talked last year, what have you guys been up to over there at the fantasy coaches?
Steven Pintado 04:07
Um, you know, continuing to grow. We got a bunch of new riders on over the last year and they’ve been they’ve been great. I plan on doing a couple new things this year. We’re hoping to do sort of a charity League of our own at some point this year that we’re hoping to start up you know, we’re obviously live now this time last year we weren’t live we weren’t doing these podcasts live. You couldn’t see this face or my co host Gypsys face or anything and now we’re doing it live if you guys happen to ever check us out and yeah, we’re just continuing to just try to provide everyone as much as possible good fantasy content and help them get fantasy championships.
Kevin 04:43
Absolutely. So now that it is post NFL Draft, and we start getting into the mock drafts, the best ball drafts, the rookie draft and dynasty formats, all the drafting that you can You know get your hands on at the moment. What What do you like to draft most? Is it dynasty is it redraft is a basketball? Like what’s your cup of tea here?
Steven Pintado 05:09
I know I love a good old school redraft League, especially when you get to be with a bunch of people you know, live in person is probably the best to me honestly getting together. We do want it right before Labor Day every year with a bunch of my buddies from college and you know, it’s a great experience to get the draft board, throw your sticker on there and you know, everyone, whoever the championship is, you know, they love that trophy around, you know, just mocking everyone. I mean, that is just a good old time. Honestly, I prefer that. But obviously I you know, I do my my dynasty leagues, and I’m pretty sure the day after the draft ended all the ones that I commissioned, I think you guys might be in one of them. You guys. Actually, I think I saw that rookie draft the day after I said, Let’s get going guys. I want to see some rookies going. So, but every draft is a classic to me.
Kevin 05:57
Absolutely. That’s a it’s my, it’s my tried and true, right. It’s the league that you know, the the three of us are in, along with some high school and college buddies. And I can agree with you there. Like it’s super fun. The only thing that we struggle with now is everyone’s so damn spread out in our league like we have, guys now. You were in South Dakota. And now excuse me, North Dakota, and now you’re in Texas. And then we have one in Louisiana. And then we have some up over in West Colorado up over the mountains and then some here where we’re at like, it’s just so stinking spread out. And it’s about the time we start doing that destination draft at one point, I’d like to be able to do that and have a little fun over Labor Day weekend.
Alex 06:42
That was a good time. Yeah, we’ve we never done the draft board, though. We’ve always been either analog.
Kevin 06:53
We did. It was the year before you started. They were I think you were there. When we did the draft board. It was terrible. Like it was not horrendous even like Hooters efficient. Like it was just god awful terrible. So thank God for you know, the ESPN app at the time, right? They just gave us the draft board and we went with
Alex 07:11
it. Yeah, we were we were we’ve done the analog a couple times. I remember doing the analog and those drafts. They took four ever because it’s always somebody wasn’t paying attention and missed the last four pigs and then they’re calling out the last four guys as if they can try and get them on their roster. that’s those are always the fun times. But yeah, to be as spread out as we are with with everybody. definitely getting together with your buddies. That’s what that’s what fantasy football is all about. You get together with your buddies. I think that’s how we all kind of got our start in this in this. This crazy? What has turned into an obsession for some folks. But that’s that’s where we’re all at. So Steve, I know we’re gonna talk about the dolphins but I got to get your your pulse on. What are things like down there? Because it’s been rough times. But there has to feel like there’s some promise for for the Miami Dolphins faithful?
Steven Pintado 08:12
Yeah, I mean, this optimism is for sure. Right now, obviously, you know, either you’d like to or you didn’t like you don’t like to that’s kind of what it is right now. You know, I’m still on that side there just as a dolphins fan. I think what he showed us last year wasn’t his full potential. And I think giving him that offseason to get another year outside that injury I think will really get him to the next level. So there’s optimism that to a conduit this team is built right right now our head coach. I mean, he’s just a good guy. I mean, he brought in like 70 like rookies into his mini camp, just to teach them everything about the NFL. I mean, who Coca Cola does that on a consistent basis. I mean, he’s building this team the right way, a winning culture, not even a winning culture, just a I want to play football and I want to work hard culture, not just, you know, they’re all about winning, which they are, you know, that’s what they’re trying to do, obviously as an NFL football team, but they’re just kind of bringing that like, let’s do everything right let’s work by the books and let’s not you know, do what everyone thinks we’re supposed to do like draft a running back, you know, let’s do what we want to do and do it right. And they’ve been doing it so far. I mean, with the draft selections, collecting the picks, you know, just relying on the players that they want to bring into that camp there. It’s really it’s really fun that prize the dolphins round right now to have some hope again after a couple last couple seasons of some some poor years or at least the last decade or two if you want to go back even farther, so it’s really nice right now.
Alex 09:37
Doesn’t it? Doesn’t it sound like us in 2011 guys? Either like the quarterback or you don’t like the quarterback but dang if it isn’t fun to be a fan again of the Denver Broncos.
Kevin 09:51
No, but I really i’d agree with everything you said. I like Flores a lot. I agree even from even from Denver. Just kind of you know, keeping Trying to keep a finger on the pulse. Right? Obviously not being down in South Beach. I don’t, you know, get all the beat writers and everything else, but it just seems like the players are buying in. It seems like the organization and the coaching staff are all saying and doing the right things at the moment. And really, to this point of his coaching tenure, it really seems like Flores has been the most successful of implementing the Patriot way that everybody in the media likes to talk about. But it seems like he’s been the most successful bringing that to his new team and implementing a culture of we want to be here. This is what’s expected. And once we build this, we’re gonna go out, and we’re gonna put put some wins on the board here and we’re gonna make hell for the rest of the AFC East.
Derek 10:53
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So Steve, real quick, how can the how can listeners connect with you over there at the fantasy coaches?
Steven Pintado 11:03
Yeah. So you can definitely go follow us on Twitter or Instagram, at the fantasy coaches, if you ever want to connect with me personally, you know, any fantasy questions, you know, just to talk about fantasy or whatever it may be. Mine’s here on the screen or it’s at coach Steven p on Twitter as well.
Derek 11:20
Very cool. Very, very cool. So, let’s go ahead and unless you guys have some of the questions there.
Kevin 11:31
Now jump into what we came here for.
Myles Gaskins RB Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Derek 11:33
Alright, let’s go ahead and talk some Miami Dolphins, especially talking fantasy football for this coming year. Now, we’ll start where we always do and that’s with the running back room and the running back room featuring a couple of guys that you know, we don’t i don’t know that there was a ton of believers out there thinking that they wouldn’t go into draft week and not come out with another running back but they did kind of leave in miles Gaskin as the front runner there. who finished as running back 27 last year 142 rush attempts, 584 yards, three rushing touchdowns, 41 receptions on 47 targets 388 through the air with an additional two touchdowns through the air guys your thoughts on miles Gaskins?
Kevin 12:19
I think I think Myles Gaskin is a solid. I think he gets back in RB to territory, right. He was dinged up a little bit where solvent. Ahmed is filled in form very, very nicely, really, but I think they’re going to try and lean. A little bit of that one two punch but Gaskin is definitely going to be the one a back here. He showed some elusiveness, he showed he showed a good verse to him, had a had a nose for the end zone, he was really good at grinding out some of those tough yards when the dolphins needed to get a first down or needed, you know, to keep that clock going. miles Gaskin did a very good job. And I was one of the doubters, you know, I’ll put my hand in the air and own that. And he he absolutely proved me wrong for last year. And while he’s not, you know, Dalvin Cook, Derrick Henry, there’s not many Dalvin Cook or Derrick Henry‘s like he’s a very serviceable NFL back. And it’s and for what the dolphins are trying to implement. And do I think he fits in very nicely. And for running back, you know, I’m saying he’s gonna finish as a running back to you know, so 2223 is I think, where I have him without looking real quick. You can get them at a value still, because everybody’s kind of like, Oh, well, we don’t know what’s going on. So you can get Gaskin towards the end as like almost a fourth running back depending on what you’re doing in the draft. And he’s a guy that you can easily plug in there as your flex play or your second running back on by weeks. And you’re super happy with that guys like, Yeah, I like Myles Gaskin a lot. He’s the guy that I’m going to be following.
Steven Pintado 14:00
Yeah, he’s definitely somebody who I honestly know I, as a dolphin says obviously, a lot of the players that they drafted there and he was basically just like a poor man’s cousins of Jonathan Taylor‘s, you know, he’s very successful in college, you had a lot of miles racked up. I just never thought he would actually see your starting workload. And obviously he did it this season. And you know, he showed flashes there for sure. I mean, he was first in league and your perception among running backs. You know, he was telling an average 16.4 Fantasy points a game when he was actually on the field. And again, that was the issue. He had a little bit of injuries during the season that kind of like had him in and out of the lineups but it’s definitely interesting and he’s definitely somebody this coming season who I’m intrigued with as a as a solid, you know, possible RB three RB four like Kevin just said here in a lot of redrafts in terms of dynasty, I’d probably want to sell him now. I think this is the perfect chance. I don’t think he’s going to be our long term answer. I think he has a 2021 great value Swan I don’t also think that he’s going to be by himself this season here so I don’t know if we’re going to get to those guys think we are all wait till we get there. But I think he’s a solid player and he’s gonna provide solid value but I think there’s some other guys who might also still work for him but he definitely provides a possible RB three value going into the season at the moment.
Alex 15:12
So yeah, here’s the the issue that I have with with Myles Gaskin and it’s, you know, I think a lot for a lot of people, especially when you’re in a running back room and you’re not the the, the Dalvin Cook, the Derrick Henry‘s of the world, that your best ability is availability, right? And that is something that we have yet to really see from Myles Gaskin. Now I know he, he had, you know, the 10 games last year and there was the NCL sprain, there was the COVID list where he missed a couple games. But I mean, he’s played in 17 games in two years. And he’s played one full season in two years. So you’d like to see that number a little bit more consistency, right? If if that’s where we’re going to going to put him in that RB two category firmly in the RB two category, he’s going to have to be on the field a little bit more. And Steve, to your point, he’s going to have to get lucky and not be siphoned off of by by some of these other cats that are in the running back room. So I like the idea of miles Gaskin being a running back to I really do. Whether or not that actually happens is going to be dependent upon, can he stay healthy and stay on the field. And will these other guys take some of the load from him? When he’s been healthy, he’s been very efficient back and a very helpful back you’d like to see those touchdown numbers go up a little bit more than what he had last year. But those could come with a quarterback like to you like maybe those those would also get poached from a Gaskin type but we’ll get to two in a little bit. But those are the two big, you know, red flags that I see from Myles Gaskin. And, and while they aren’t big enough to scare me away from him because I was I was on him last year I was kind of forced into using him. And he was he was beneficial. It’s just he was only beneficial for half the season. And that’s kind of frustrating as a fantasy owner.
Kevin 17:20
So I think this might be where you and I differ a little bit Alex is because I don’t give really a rip of what carries he gives up. He’s the only guy in that backfield, who’s really going to be receiving the football and he is a great receiving running back. And so that’s where you’re making your hay right like it. I don’t expect him to, you know, get the ball in his stomach 18 to 20 times a game and run between the tackles. But I do I do expect to see, you know, four to seven targets a game and come down with three to five catches week in and week out. So while Yes, you need to be available to do that. Where he gets his run in, especially PPR leagues is where he’s very enticing, is because he’s he’s the only back on that team who’s who has good soft hands. It’s not Malcolm Brown. Ahmed can a little bit but he’s not nearly as efficient as Myles Gaskin was. So that’s where I’m looking for him is I want them as a producer as that really good receiving back. who also gets you know, at least 12 to 15 touches running the ball game too. So that’s why I’m enticed with it right is is it’s that consistent? You’re getting 18 touches a game between running and receiving. And I’m okay with that as a third running back kind of, we’re seeing our talking. Guys, that’s that’s gold right there for a third running back. You gotta love it.
Derek 18:53
Yeah. And he’s a guy that you could even potentially put on there as a fourth rb, just depending upon how you draft and go into that strategy. But looking at it, he was very efficient, like you already mentioned over just, you know, hit over just four yards a clip every time that he ran the ball on average, right? And we’re talking about, you know, siphoning some things away and things like that. Like, yeah, I don’t know that. I don’t know that you really even if he gets siphoned off that he’s going to see a dip in the overall touches that he sees. Yeah, 142 rush attempts for a running back especially the RB one in a situation is really not many. There’s some backups out there that see roughly about that same carry load to it. So the fact that he was able to put up an Rb 27 on the year last year, and Miss six games like he’s a guy that that I would be very willing to target especially being that third fourth running back on the on the roster and a guy that you’re not going to have to spend much draft capital on to get when you’re talking about an RB that could potentially finish an RB two territory. You’re more often than not those are our B’s you have to draft in the third round or higher to get that type of production. He’s a guy that you can typically pick up fifth sixth seventh round somewhere in there. So the value is certainly there and the value is what I’m going to be looking at when it comes draft season so I’m certainly in on on Myles gas and especially where his value is going to be this year. So we’ve talked about Malcolm Brown a little bit already but Malcolm Brown, newly a new dolphin over this offseason, coming over from the Rams where he finishes running back 42 last year, 101 rush attempts, 419 yards, five rushing touchdowns, 23 receptions on 33 targets for 162 through the air your thoughts on Malcolm Brown
Malcolm Brown RB Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Kevin 20:40
short, short yardage and goal line Hawk like he’s going to be the guy who’s going to steal some of these touchdowns he’s going to be the guy that they bring in to save to his body a little bit right and that that too is injury prone right yet a freak hip injury and they’re working through that but let’s not let’s not have our quarterback take unnecessary hits as he’s developing and learning and growing into the NFL. Let’s bring in this running back who is a very efficient short yardage back and when we’re inside the five it’s you know, the run game we’ll go through Malcolm Brown if it’s third and 1/4 and one it it’s going to be Malcolm Brown who’s getting that football so week in and week out I don’t see him being very productive like he’s not a guy I’m See I seek after in the draft. If you’re in a touchdown only league he might you know if those are still around, I haven’t played in a touchdown only league in probably 12 years, guys, but I’m sure there’s people who do. So if you’re playing in a touchdown only league like he’s a guy that I’m targeting late. Just on a flyer I mean, heck, you never know right? The dolphins might be extremely efficient in the redzone. And a large part of it might be because of Malcolm Brown. So that’s where I see him but I’m not picking him up to even mess around that in dynasty or redraft leagues on any consistent basis I can find value other places.
Alex 22:11
To add to your point, Kevin last year, as a member of the Rams he carried the ball 101 times as Derek said 25 of those were for first downs. He only had 419 yards on the crowd. The guy is a short yardage feed he had five touchdowns to like I mean, you’re talking about a guy that that will be useful in short yardage situations for fantasy purposes, and that’s not exactly you know, you’re you are reliant upon the team getting into those situations, which doesn’t always happen. So he’s he is a high risk but can be a high reward if you want to put him in your lineup if if he happens to get into the end zone, but that those are those are, you know, risks, they are risks that you’re going to have to take if you want to put him on your roster. For me. That’s not a risk I’m willing to take I’d rather go with somebody who’s got a little bit more consistency. But to your point, Kevin, there are formats out there for Malcolm Brown regular old fantasy football is not one of them
Steven Pintado 23:26
it’s definitely not that’s for sure. I mean he’s definitely should be on your dynasty rosters if he’s out there. I mean, there’s a chance that he’s starting running back week one there’s a chance they went out there and they signed him very quickly in the free agency and they have had a somewhat of a plan to bring a guy like Malcolm Brown he is the veteran on the team per se. Again Yeah, he’s the thing about him is he’s not going to be fantasy relevant but he’s gonna ruin the value slightly of a guy like Myles gas and that’s that’s how I feel about Malcolm Brown he’s gonna see similar to what he did this past season here where he’s gonna possibly steal that goal line word from Gaskins and then that Lowe’s gets its value of slightly and while Gaskin is probably the better pass catcher Malcolm Brown this past season had his highest total ever as a as a receiving back like 33 targets I believe it was the season here I think he was like at the dump single digits prior this a couple seasons here so possibly he sees some work because of that recent uptake maybe he learned how to catch the ball better. That’s the only thing I could see about Malcolm Brown he’s not a guy you’re gonna want in fantasy but he’s a guy who’s gonna might prevent Malcolm Malcolm miles Gaskin, some really seeing that RB two value.
Derek 24:33
Yeah. Tell me that. Malcolm Brown isn’t the Jordan Howard of 2021. Here. Like that’s that’s really how I see this one playing out that. Yeah, they kind of brought him in and you look back to Jordan Howard last year on on the Miami Dolphins was a guy that came in and you know, would have one touch for one yard and a touchdown and type of thing like, you know, he was a guy that was going to just come in and be a short yardage guy. Power the ball through and get a touchdown and I don’t really see Malcolm Brown doing much more than that for this roster, bring him in and just be that short yardage goal line. You know, we need to three yards go out there and send this big body guy to thump it on through but that’s kind of how I see it. I don’t I think you’re right. I don’t think he’s going to have any fantasy relevance but I think he’s going to cannibalize a little bit into a guy like miles Gaskins.
Kevin 25:30
Yeah, matchup, I think matchup dependent, he’s a guy that you want to keep an eye on for DFS, right, like he will sneak in a game or two this season with a couple touchdowns. His value for DFS is going to be dirt cheap. So obviously if that’s if that’s your niche, right and that’s something that you’re into and that you you know, participate in. Now come browns, a guy that depending on the matchup, you could, you know, pay save, save some money here pay up at wide receiver, you know, you know if you really want Travis Kelsey one week, well, one way to pay up for Travis Kelsey is to pay down at one year running back spots and if the matchup is nice, Malcolm Brown could be an option. They’re not consistent matchup dependent. But nonetheless, like Alex said, he does have value in some formats and that would be where you look for it.
Alex 26:18
I will add another thing last year, obviously contract year with the Rams it was the second of two years. The two year deal that he signed with the Rams this year, just a one year deal in Miami. So another contract year we saw what his contract year was last year. I kind of like those guys that have something to prove. They usually play with a little bit more of an edge. But again, I’m not sure what Miami sees usage wise that at him but if it’s anything like it was last year, the fantasy consistency will be very, very tough.
Derek 26:55
Yes, you are correct. And they do have another running back in that room as well. Silvana med finishes running back 64 last year 75 rush attempts, 319 yards, three rushing touchdowns, 11 receptions on 14 targets for 61 through the air any thoughts on Salvon Ahmed?
Salcon Ahmed Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Kevin 27:16
This is the guy that I’m picking up late as just a depth piece. I think he will see uh, you know, he’ll see a little bit more run, like I said earlier with Gaskin is gasca is not the workhorse they have other mouths to feed. But I’m mad in my opinion is that second option. slight change of pace, but can can help lighten some of the the running workload off of Gaskin and keep Gaskin available deeper into the season. So in case of right like, I’m not gonna say he’s a handcuff, like I don’t, I don’t, I’m not drafting him as a handcuff. But I’m drafting him as a young deaf piece. He’s only coming into a second year. So there’s a lot of tread still on his tires, we’re not quite sure how this is going to work out. And if you’re able to pick someone up like that, in the, you know, 16th 17th round, well, everybody likes running back depth, so why the heck not put it in a situation where I know he’s going to at least see some run. And if Gaskin goes down, there’s a better than likely chance that he will then step into that lead back roll and Malcolm Browns role will stay the same. That might change once we get into week one, and we see what the dolphins are doing. But as of today, that’s how I see it at least.
Alex 28:43
What what’s intriguing about Ahmed is really it was the two games last year and the only reason that he had those two games was because Gaskin was out of the lineup. That that was he took his opportunity he made the most of that opportunity. But it was it was just the two games where he got you know, kind of the the the bell cow work, if you will. And really that game against New England. They’re in week 14, or I should say game 14 and what week was that week 15 that he kind of burst onto the scene with 122 yard performance and a touchdown. So that’s intriguing. You can see that the talent is there. I want to go back to kind of the conversations we were having this time last year about rookies and and you guys will remember this Kevin and Derrick that we were all saying, I don’t know about these rookies. I fade the rookies because they’re not going to have the benefit of otas of a rookie minicamp of otas of training camp, or a full training camp situation of a preseason their first snaps were real snaps. They weren’t they weren’t just for pretend ball. That you can try and figure out what the NFL game is like. So I’ll give a little leeway to some of these rookies because they didn’t have those opportunities last year, and they were kind of learning on the job and having to do stuff that no rookies had to do in a long time in the NFL, so you can see that there flashes there. But again, I like what you’re saying, Kevin, in terms of what his usage would be. And that is more in the role of how I see it, at least is more in the role of a Gaskins like, versus a Malcolm Brown, like, you know that that usage will be more more in line with what they’re going to do with Myles Gaskin than what they’re going to do with Malcolm Brown. So, if you do have Gaskin probably a good idea if if you want to have a piece of this running back room, if you feel like it’s going to be worth your while, then yeah, you pick him up otherwise, we’re gonna have to see, you know, kind of what the what the splits are, are here and the reports coming out of, excuse me, the reports coming out of Miami, because it really he really depends on Will he get the opportunity and if Gaskin is there to limit that opportunity, then his value plummets.
Steven Pintado 31:24
Yeah, Alex actually agree a lot with you. It’s basically just a replacement for Gaskins for me right now when it comes up mad. Again, when he saw the opportunity. He was great. He showed flashes and it was it was really good to see. But in terms of you know, if you think of him right now and dynasty Yeah, he’s definitely a guy if you can put in your taxi squad and see if he can he beat out Gaskins or brown during the training camp. It’s possible Why not? I mean, I think that backfield is wide open, if someone just shows up during training camp, and it could be admitted, but honestly, it’s probably likely he’s gonna see the third string roll and if Gaskins were to go down, augments kind of slips in there and takes over that role in in Bravo then share the carries more than likely, but he’s a good pickup just to have on, I guess, a good bench guy or taxi squad guy right now. But I don’t see him being a big, impactful player unless someone gets hurt.
Derek 32:15
Yeah, yeah, I think I am fully aboard on what everybody has said there. And we’ll go ahead and move on over to some wide receivers, then. The vontae Parker had a little bit of a letdown after his 2019 season and finishes wide receiver 42 last year. 63 receptions 103 targets 793 and four through the air. What are yours? What are your thoughts on DeVante? Parker?
DeVante Parker WR Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Alex 32:45
Was it a letdown or was it a quarterback change? I mean, again, you’re only as good as the guy throwing the ball to you. But certainly those numbers were disappointing. With you know, he was he was pretty much at his catch total from the previous year. He was down 1010 catches from the previous year but the yardage was way down. I mean, he was he was nine catches shy of what he did in 2019. But he was 400 yards shy of what he did yardage wise. And then those touchdowns were down cut in half nine to four. So yeah, that that is disappointing, but he did have a quarterback change halfway through the season. And it takes time to develop that again, a rookie who didn’t have the advantage of otas and mini camp and traded full training camp and preseason to get some of those reps. It was on the job learning so you’d like to see that those numbers kind of rebound. But to is not Ryan Fitzpatrick and that you’re not going to have that gunslinger mentality out of to talk about Lola so you take it with a grain of salt because you’ve got to figure out How’re you know how is two are going to target devonte Parker it will he you know, be the guy that gets you 400 more yards on nine more catches? Yeah.
Kevin 34:17
I think Parker was one of the guys if I’m not mistaken that we we did say kind of pump the brakes on coming into the 2020 season 2019 was great. And if you were if you got Parker late because up until that point, he had kind of been a borderline bust if not a complete bust to that point. And he finally broke out to the guy a lot of us thought he would be. So he definitely showed those flashes. It helps that he’s the you know, he is the big bodied receiver on that team right at six, three. He is the guy that goes up to high point the ball. He does. He still does a good job using his body to you know, keep the defender away moving the chains I think the the dolphins and drafting Jalen waddle kind of have a different deep threat now that maybe Parker’s not so. And that’s okay, because I think Parker truly fits into that, that intermediate route combination a little bit better. I don’t think of him as a deep ball specialist, but I do think of him as a guy that can get, you know, 12 to 15 yards down the field, create a little bit of separation, and then use that big body to come down with it. That being said, I still have him in wide receiver three territory. I do think he improves off of last year’s numbers, but he does fall short of 2019. So somewhere in that range of you know, wide receiver 40, I believe is probably where he’s gonna shake out. And I think part of that might just be systematically in Miami. And and I do think part of it is I want to see to be able to drop back and play the full game without getting yanked for the backup and everything else and give him the chance to sling it, you know, 3035 times a game in and let’s really see what he’s learned over the offseason because of two has taken that step into year two, that will drastically increase the output of devante. Parker.
Steven Pintado 36:20
Yeah. And with devonta Parker, you know, I have watched him I’ve had so hyped when they draft him. And then it’s been disappointment. And I think you see what DeVante Parker really is. I think 2019 was somewhat of a fluke season, and not fluke, that is of his time. I think he has the talent. It’s about his availability on the field. And that was always his niche is he was always injured. He always had something nagging him that kept him off the field for multiple games throughout the seasons, or kept him out of a whole game. And that’s what you saw this past season. He just missed games. He was banged up a lot. And it just you just never got on the field enough to have that connection with a guy like to have right now. And you know, he had that last year with Fitzpatrick so the two games if it’s Patrick have been played together. That was a full game at least, you know, he had over 100 yards. He was great. But I’m seeing more of a wide as you have three value myself as well, Kevin, I can’t see him going any higher. I don’t see the upside of him anymore. Even with a guy like to I think they’re moving their offense and you saw this season with more speed, more of those dump off passes. And look, the wide receivers do what they do best and get downfield based off their speed here, I think Parker will find themselves a decent role. I think you could see similar numbers to what you saw this past season here is I think to a hazard ability throw downfield that many people kind of knocked him for this coming season. But I just don’t see that ceiling anymore with him. He’s a little bit older now. The injuries I have to be somewhat of a concern each season moving forward now at this point, but again, He’s talented. He’s just move a wide receiver three of us right now.
Derek 37:51
Gotcha. He, what was the phrase from last week? he’s not. He’s not injury prone. He’s health resistant
Alex 37:58
health for time. Yeah.
Derek 37:59
So I think I think that’s, that’s probably a nice way to sum that one up. And you’re right, he did play a little banged up there. But even when you look at it from when he had Fitzpatrick because they made that switch over to where tool was going to be the starter right coming off that by week. So we had about 556 weeks of Fitzpatrick being the starter. The best week that we saw out of him was wide receiver 14 on that week where he you know, he posted a 10 receptions for 110 yards but no other real out like no other game where he really kind of shine and pop like he did from 2019 either. And he had just as just as many games with to in there where he finished in that wide receiver to territory. There was a lot of weeks when you if you draft him last year, you would have drafted him as the wide receiver 25 overall, and roughly ADP 58. So when a guy that you draft that high because if you draft him that high, your draft him typically be the wide receiver to on your team, maybe wide receiver three based on where you are but where you drafted him last year, you were not happy with the outcome and the performance of that one because you were having to spend up into a fifth round type of pick for that and definitely didn’t hit. I think you’ll see him drop a little bit but you’re probably looking at maybe a wide you know, by ATP in the seventh round maybe and even at that point, I don’t know that I’m really willing to spend up on a seventh rounder to take the vontae Parker because like Steve already said I don’t see the upside I don’t see the big ceiling there. And that’s if I’m drafted in the seventh round I’m taking a player with upside because I’ve already built my team around the fact that I’ve got the floor established. I’m taking swings and trying to get that upside there and for those reasons DeVante Parker will most likely not be on an on my fantasy rosters this coming season. Some Will Fuller just came over for the Texans and He’ll be missing the first game of the season. He had finished just wide receiver 28 even missing the last five weeks of the year 53 receptions 75 targets for 879 through the air with eight receiving touchdowns guys your thoughts on Will Fuller V
Will Fuller V WR Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Alex 40:20
over under number of games that Will Fuller appears in this year. I will put the hard line at 11 over
Derek 40:27
yeah over Oh wow. projected 12 to 13 that’s how I’m going to set that out at about they’ve got an extra game on the season
Kevin 40:38
so yeah fuller picked a great time to have a career year right he had a contract year was a clear wide receiver one up until Brian Cushing got into the locker room and infected some of the Texans with not so nice things. This speaks to the Texans organization you bring a guy with a PD history in with access to players to give them p DS but I digress. Will Fuller there was a lot there’s a lot of rumblings about him going into last year and let’s not forget the games he missed last year was suspended not health concern and coming up into the 2020 season the big will folder comparison for the points in that that they’re at in their career was Keenan Allen I still think that comparison holds true guys like Will Fuller Will Fuller is the clear Alpha Dog on this team as far as receiver goes. He showed that he can stay physically healthy and and put up big numbers while doing it. The thing that is interesting to me is Will Fuller is the guy that creates separation 20 plus yards down the field he’s a guy that you typically have to have five to seven step drops and allow the quarterback some time to throw the ball deep let Phil let fuller do his thing as as he’s getting either behind the corner or if you split in the corner and safety just depending on what he’s kind of doing and then let him go. I mean I’m very interested to see how the dolphins are going to use them because I like Will Fuller this season. I saw enough out of him last year that I can go buy some Will Fuller and I’ll be happy with it and redraft leagues my one concern or question is How are they really going to use them because two is just not the same quarterback is to Shawn Watson the dolphins are not the same offensive football team that the Houston Texans are right like just the little intricacies that change from team to team I’m going to take a couple chances on Will Fuller across some leagues. I’m not I’m definitely not searching after him in all leagues. But I do want shares of him because I think that he is i think i think he’s gonna be the clear alpha on this team. It’s just a matter of how can they find creative ways to continue to get him the ball because this kid has a nose for the end zone guys and and he’s the most likely of the trio of receivers to be able to take it to the house on any given play.
Alex 43:28
So in great article out of the Sun Sentinel a couple of weeks ago about well fuller and what his contract entails and how incentive based his contract is and the best part about all of the incentives which include things like receptions and and touchdowns which he’ll get some extra money if he gets nine touchdowns. This this upcoming season. kicker is he has never scored nine touchdowns in a season so that’s gonna be fun. If he tries to get to that number, but everything these incentives only kick in if the dolphins are a top 20 offense. So there’s team incentive and individual incentive involved there’s an incentive for him to bring the team along with him as as his own individual interests and money. pan out so so yes, Kevin. I do think that he is going to be you know a leader in the locker room if for no other reason. Then there’s a million extra dollars out there for 3 million extra dollars out there for him. Should all these incentives kick in. But I am am so gun shy on will folder. I just I am and it’s because I’ve been burned by him in the past and I had him for a while. And then he got hurt when he was in Houston and I know I’m not the only one out there. Who, who, you know has been burned by this guy. So for me, and this is to speak nothing as to what he has become or what he will become in a new situation. But it might be to my detriment. I’m staying away from Will Fuller with 1000 foot pole, because I just don’t want to deal with that headache every Thursday when I’m setting my lineup or Sunday morning when I’m setting my lineup will will Will Fuller be available, you know the in? Or am I going to stash him on a roster spot in the hopes that he might come back this season or what have you. So I, I just would rather they’re not have to deal with it. And look elsewhere, there is a bevy of wide receiver talent. And there’s another one on this team that I’d rather take a flyer on, then we’ll fuller just to see what what he’s got going. And we’ll talk about him in a second. But that’s where I’m at with will follow. It is completely personal and has nothing to do with anything other than it’s my own personal feelings.
Steven Pintado 46:06
Alex, I’m right there with you. Honestly, I’ve never wanted anything ever to do with willful I’ll take the 200 plus 2030 plus games and give them something else. And I’ll take I’ll take I won’t take them. I’m fine with that. But we’ll follow. Yeah, it was definitely an interesting timing. I think it was something that we needed to have a guy of interest to feel like that on our team here early on. And yeah, could you be the guy who ends up being our number one largest here? Yeah, absolutely. That’s that’s a ceiling and he has a big ceiling about him. He also has a low floor as well. And it’s been the injuries over his career. I think he did miss a quarter of the game last year due to injury if I’m not mistaken. I think it was the Baltimore game he left early. But that’s the big kicker is that he’s been injured his entire career and he just happened to stay healthy this past season here a little fishy to me personally, but I know people have argued to me about that that there why he was healthy and worked out. He trained harder this season to do a little bit better with his hamstrings, which sure maybe that could be it to some extent. But where did he sign was he signed with the Miami Dolphins in Florida, in marine weather outside on Miami’s field, not the greatest field the world. Where do you come from Houston, the dome, the dome, the night field, as you gotta do to stay healthy, but these games here he owns. He’s played in 19 career games outside he’s only had six touchdowns. There’s a difference between playing indoors and outdoors and the way that if depending on how they use him on that offense, it could be very beneficial. It could not be and I think it’s not going to be that beneficial to them. I think you’re going to see a guy who can be boom and bust wide receiver through your flex option for you most weeks. Probably most of most of Leah busts and that’s how I kind of see go for I don’t see him being guy who can say consistently on the field healthy enough for me to want to take him in most drafts to see.
Kevin 47:51
Okay, everybody has a price tag. Right. So let’s start here. If we’ll Fuller’s there in the 10th. Are you drafting it?
Derek 47:59
Yep, yes. Yeah. For
Kevin 48:05
now, no. Okay.
Derek 48:07
I like to just out period.
Alex 48:08
I’m Alex. I’m just out. So wherever you go with this. I’m done. That’s fine. Alex is out.
Kevin 48:13
In the ninth round. Are you drunk? Yep.
Steven Pintado 48:17
Depends is there? It really depends on how my team structure and who’s there.
Kevin 48:22
Okay. So maybe we’re still in but this this will probably kick it out in the eighth round. Are you drafting it? Yep. No. So Derek’s left here, there, Kevin.
Derek 48:35
Seventh is where I draw the line. And there’s a reason for the seventh round is because is ADP right now is 83, which puts that at the very tail end of the seventh round. And, you know, like the last guy that we just talked about the vontae Parker, I was talking about the fact that when I’m putting what’s going to most likely be my third wide receiver on a team, which is a seventh is about that, that makeup. I want a guy with a lot of upside. I want a guy with a big ceiling, somebody that can swing for the fences and hit me a home run and win a week on and there’s few what a few wide receivers out there that can do it like a Will Fuller can in the seventh round. So here’s another question for y’all. DeVante Parker right now is going right around the same ATP. So we’ll call it right there. Back in the seventh beginning of the eighth. And I have a feeling I know we’re both Kevin and Steve are going to go but I’m curious with where Kevin’s going. But the question out there is you’ve got to pick one of these two Miami Dolphins receivers with a seventh round pick who you take
Kevin 49:37
the seventh
Derek 49:39
datp of 83 which would be a seventh round pick.
Kevin 49:44
I’ll take fuller for the upside. But truth be told I’d rather take Courtland Sutton
Derek 49:52
fair enough so what I but the
Alex 49:56
nataly there are other options out there that are in the
Kevin 49:59
70s And that’s why I just want to see where everybody’s reach was in the seventh. Yes, I feel like there’s other options. But that’s what I was seeing, like when you start getting down. I don’t want debo Samuel. Like I’m not a believer in San Francisco taking debo Samuel so debose also a guy who’s going at the top of the eighth. So yeah, that’s right around the same spot is Fuller. So I’ll take folder over debo. So that’s kind of where my line is drawn, much like whereas ADP is. But if I can get Courtland Sutton, I’ll take my chances with the ACL injury and what they’re going to be doing in Denver as opposed to the inconsistently inconsistency is regarding health around Will Fuller like that. That’s just where I’m gonna draw the line.
Derek 50:49
Okay, here’s here’s an interesting one for Yep, so I’ve got we have five wide receivers with an ADP all from 79 to 86. So they’re all right there in line with one another Brandon cooks ADP of 79 Jarvis Landry, ATP of 81 fuller of 83 Jerry Jeudy at 84 and Curtis Samuel at 86 out of those five receivers, which I’ll put them very much in the seventh round, which just rank them for me which receivers are you going with? They’re in order. Judy, who was the first one you said? Brandon cooks Jarvis Landry Will Fuller jury duty and Curtis Samuel.
Steven Pintado 51:33
Jerry Judy. Curtis Samuel what’s the first one I keep forgetting the first Brandin Cooks Brandin Cooks Jarvis Landry. Then we’ll follow her so it’s me Judy. Judy, Judy Curtis Samuel. Brandin Cooks. Jarvis Landry Will Fuller okay.
Derek 51:58
Alex had no Will Fuller‘s number five so give me the one through four.
Alex 52:03
I don’t like the quarterback round any of these guys. Um, so come back to me at the fork put the fork put the options in the chat for me. Well, yeah. Hey,
Steven Pintado 52:18
if Bridgewater is Judy’s quarterback he had the kind of like that you saw what he did last year with Carolina.
Alex 52:25
Bridgewater is Judy’s quarterback Kevin’s not wearing that shirt for very much longer.
Kevin 52:31
No, I’ll say I like Judy overall. So Judy’s first on my board as well. Let’s see here. I think I’m going fuller second behind that like I just I don’t trust the situation that we don’t know how many games Deshaun Watson is going to miss so that instantly puts Brandon cooks to five because there’s the most uncertainty around what he’s going to be doing. Curtis Samuel or or Jarvis Landry? I’m gonna say Curtis Samuel because we know Yeah, Curtis Samuel be my three because we know Fitzpatrick loves to sling the ball around. And Curtis Samuel will be able to do do some of those great things. And Landry while very consistent is also in a very very run heavy offense. obj is coming back so we’re not quite sure how that dynamic is going to work as far as the breakout of targets. So yes, so Judy Fuller, Samuel Landry and then cooks.
Alex 53:40
So I’m actually I’m a little fuller definitely five for me. Beyond that, Kevin your your point about we don’t know what the quarterback situation is going to be like in Houston. So that scares the ever living out of me. So I go cooks for I’ll take Judy third because the quarterback situation in Denver scares the ever live anatomy as well. Not to mention Courtland Sutton is going to be coming back and that will that’s why Oh boy. I mean that could that could very well be the case. So I got Judy three and then I’ll take Landry two and only because of the gunslinger that is Ryan Fitzpatrick in Washington. I’ll take Curtis Samuel word.
Derek 54:37
Fair enough. Fair enough. For me, I think it’s really going to be same old fueler Judy, then. Then we’ll go Landry and cooks kind of in that order there for me. And a lot of the same reasons that you guys have but I just kind of I’ve been trying to get Curtis Samuel everywhere that I can. I like that upside there. So if I’m seventh round, that’s that. That’s where I’m going there first and foremost. So, but any other thoughts on Will Fuller the fifth? Already? Well, that’ll move us over to Jalen waddle the sixth overall pick their wide receiver coming and teaming back up with two. Former Alabama teammates there now Miami Dolphins teammates guys, what are your thoughts on Jaylen Waddle
Jaylen Waddle WR Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Kevin 55:29
electric he’s a playmaker with a ball in his hands. I don’t expect him to run very many deep routes as long as fuller stays healthy. But I do expect him to see a ton of targets his way. Someone that can go right, you know, just past that linebacker, let to find a gap and let him get the ball with in his hands with space. Right? That’s the Jaylen Waddle recipe for success in the NFL. They use him slightly differently in Alabama, but in the pros get the ball in his hands with space to run and let him go because water is electric. And and I think that he will be very fun to watch down in Miami. So you guys should have a lot of fun. cheering him on week in and week out because I think that connection there will help to his progression. And I would not be surprised to see him with Oh 7073 catches for probably about 900 yards or so. touchdowns. Who knows. Right touchdowns are a little bit harder to predict. But I think they’re gonna see a whole lot of Jalen waddle, and it’s going to be a whole lot of you know, seven to 12 yard routes, or, you know, average depth of target, if you will for Jalen waddle, and then his Yak is just going to be insane.
Alex 57:07
Yeah, I was I’ll be the first to admit that I was surprised when and I saw Miami draft him. I didn’t think that receiver was where they were going to go, especially when you consider some of the other pieces that were still on the board. Were when when they picked him mainly in a school as a line to protect that quarterback of yours, but I agree. I think he is one that’s worth you know, basically if you’re in dynasty and a rookie draft, you know, he’s probably going I do you guys have that? Do you have that number for me? Eric? Oh, boy, his rookie ADP is. Right offhand.
Derek 57:53
For rookie draft. He’s
Kevin 57:54
Yeah, nine one point. Yep, they are. Yeah, anywhere between eight and 10. Which luxleaks. It feels
Alex 58:01
like a steal at that point, doesn’t it because of what he can do when he does get the football in his hand. So I would have targeted him a little sooner if I was in that middle, middle round, middle of the first round for a rookie draft. I just think that there will be that connection there between to a and him and he is a guy that if I’m going to get a piece of this Miami receiving room, he would be the one that I’m most intrigued by. Mainly because of my feelings about well, Fuller. And I don’t know that davante Parker is ever going to get back to 2019 to vontae Parker but new shiny toy right like that. It’s It’s It’s easy to look at and he will have the benefit of otas and a rookie minicamp and training camp and preseason games and let’s just I think that just bodes a little bit better for him.
Steven Pintado 58:54
Yeah, he’s definitely somebody I’m very intrigued about taking I mean, again, I wish they took the vontae Smith. I really wish they did. I love DeVonta Smith, but yeah, Jaylen Waddle fast explosive. He’s definitely gonna be someone I’m targeting. Again. A lot of my league round rookie drafts definitely in redraft leagues this year in the later rounds long as ADP doesn’t creep up real quickly during training camp. He’s definitely gonna be someone I think early on he may play week one and place a Will Fuller because of the suspension. But you might see him getting worked in as the season goes on a little Slower, slower than we probably want them to. Because I think he’s gonna be involved in the kick return and all that stuff cuz I don’t think Kim grant is gonna be there. By the end the beginning of the season, unfortunately, I just think because money and everything like that water will take over because that’s where he was really good in college. That kick returning stuff. He was so good at returning cakes returning punts. But again, he’s gonna see the field at some point this season as well. And that’s what makes him intriguing because I think its connection with two and what he can present on the field, most likely the slot role, whether you know, will following up outside the park on the other side, you just hadn’t just given the ball in open space. He’s gonna go with it. So he’s definitely someone that I’m I’m targeting and a lot of my rookie traps late and he’s definitely someone I want to take a shot on in basketball and late round and ran redraws right now because I think his explosiveness will fit perfectly in the NFL.
Derek 1:00:20
Yeah, I he’s he’s definitely very intriguing guy. And that may be one of those I was looking at his ADP while we’re talking for as far as like, redraft would go. And he’s looking like 153 overall. So you’re talking like a 12/13 round kind of guy there. And that’s probably the the way that I I’m gonna go especially if that ADP kind of holds true is we start really approaching the season. Because that is a guy that can provide you the upside is a guy that for a draft piece is a incredible value, especially that late with what kind of upside and ceiling you can truly get there. But no is a guy that right now I think is actually being overlooked a little bit when in some of those rookie drafts. And the ones that I’ve been participating in, they kind of fall a little funny where you can even see Jalen waddle go right there at the back half of the first year that that 11th 12th overall picks. So it’s kind of interesting to see just how folks are really, you know, really putting the place and the value on him going into the season what they what they’re suspecting his role is going to be this early on but definitely a guy worth taking a flyer on and definitely a guy that that you’ll want on your roster long term. Sam Yeah.
Kevin 1:01:34
So with, with the NFL being the copycat league that it is, without wattle running the 40 because of his injury. He has almost the identical measurements of one Tyree kill, not to say that that’s the production to expect. But this is the you know, in the copycat League, right? They see how the chiefs are successful and how they use tyreke kind of all over the field and he does play outside he plays inside they use them in in punt returns at times, when they’re looking for explosive plays, like I can see very much how they’re going to try and mimic his his usage on the field to how the Chiefs line tyreke up. Production aside, we’ll see how that comes. But that’s where I see, you know, things matching up. They’re both 510 they’re both about 185. Like, let him get a couple pounds on him. A little bit of an NFL body to kind of take some of the abuse of being hit by you know, NFL defensive, defensive players, but I do see him being able to line up all over you’re gonna see some jet sweeps. You’re gonna see a couple different things here coming out Jaylen Waddle because of his ability to make guys miss and and find find that open space and get get into the end zone. It’ll be exciting to watch.
Derek 1:03:03
Absolutely. Well, let’s go ahead and move on over to the tight end room. They get Mike get sickie there who finished his Titan number seven last year. 53 receptions 85 targets 703 yards with six touchdown through the air. Guys your thoughts on Mike Gesicki.
Mike Gesicki TE Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Kevin 1:03:23
I My only concern is that gesek is going to lose targets to waddle because they’re, they’re the depth of Route, if you will, based off of what I just said about wattle, I think those are going to be fairly similar. Now deseq he’s a bit bigger bodied, he’s probably going to be more of the go to for first down opportunities, right, you know, some things that he can control the middle of the field and have guys gravitate towards him and that’s where you have wattle come in behind. Like, you can see how they start scheming up some of these route combinations. So get sec he’s a top 10 guy. He’s he’s he’s been a guy that I think the fantasy world has kept an eye on ever since he came out of Penn State. We liked his landing spot. We like his measurables we like his ability to catch the ball. We like the fact that he has Was it 446 speed for a tight end is is pretty damn good. Like gesek he’s a guy that I’m absolutely going to look after. But with only 53 catches yes the top 10 Titans great. But I can get a lot of you know I can get to different tight ends and just play Russian Roulette with them if I wait with him not being in that top five and I do not think he’s going to be a top five tight end. Upcoming just based off of how I see this Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins offense running.
Alex 1:04:57
Yeah, I think that the biggest issue for kiseki now That they have a pretty crowded wide receiver room. And two is only going to throw the ball so many times, you know it’s a finite number, they’re going to run the football, they’re going to establish that run game down there, you know that that what Miami wants to do is, is run the football play great defense. And so when it comes to his passing work it is going to be, I think it’s going to be a challenge this year, just because you’ve got a quarterback that’s got another year in, in the system. And you guys all know how I feel about young quarterbacks and what their best friends are, with pass catching tight ends that are big targets and good hands out of the backfield. That can be an easy escape escape valve for these guys, these young quarterbacks where the game is so fast for them. So I think that it will be a little bit of an issue for the sickie, but I, you know, he’s still gonna be a top 10 tight end, the problem is the drop off from the top three tight ends to the rest of the top 10 is, is massive. And so Kevin, you have a good idea there with with the strategy of, you know, you don’t want to reach for a tight end. If it’s not one of the top top two or three guys. You’d rather just wait and and see what you can get later on and build your roster out the other way. in tight end premium leagues, I use a little bit of a conundrum because there is, you know, 53 catches, like you’d like to see that number be a little bit higher, but it is still a tight end. So you have to take it with a grain of salt. I just he he is valuable. It’s just a matter of getting him at the right value when it comes to a redraft.
Steven Pintado 1:06:53
Yeah, I agree with you guys on that, honestly, I mean, if you’re expecting them to be that around six to nine, maybe 10 range kind of guy you want to go grab, you’re doing it wrong, because it just that that value just not gonna be there, he’s probably gonna be a top 10 tight end, yes, he’s got the talent for it, he’s probably gonna be to a safety blanket, per se. And perhaps even having those weapons there to open up the field more might be actually beneficial and actually see more open screens because when Microsoft gets the ball in his hands, he may not be the four twos or four fours, but the man’s fast. And he can do things when he gets the ball in the open field, he can jump players, whatever good stuff on them. He do a lot of great things. And if you get that round 10 or later, I think you’re you got yourself a pretty solid Titan all season or he may not blow up and be the you know, a top five Titan, but he’s gonna give you production at least every single week that you can be happy like, hey, he got me seven or eight points. Not the greatest. But that’s what he’s going to get you somebody to get you better, but he’s going to get you I think a solid four for each and every single week, because the offense is opening up. I think that’s going to help Mike iseki out this coming season. But if people value him as he got a top seven tight in, which he could be technically, I’m saying clear that but if you were if he’s more of that tight end 10 for somebody and you can get him that round 10 Sign me up, because I think you’re gonna get a consistent tight end all year.
Derek 1:08:12
Yeah, right now he is Titan nine coming off the board. The ninth overall tight end coming off the board, but his ADP puts him squarely in the right about round nine to it. So for that reason held, he will not be making appearances on many of my rosters out there. Because I I very much subscribe to the fact of just late tight end, like Kevin was saying I’d rather punt the position and grab whoever I can in the 13th 14th round. And just, you know, gamble that week to week and play the streaming game with it, then try and spend up on somebody in the ninth round where I can get additional pieces from my roster that are going to be more impactful for me over the course of the season. That being said, too. There’s there’s an interesting thing going on with kiseki. So you look at last year, right? He had six touchdowns coming through zero of those touchdowns came from plays where they lined up inside that the five yard line or less. So those five zone targets which is where most tight ends tend to eat. He got zero of them. And when you look or they’re on, he was scoring touchdowns from basically the the 20 yard line that very far out of the red zone only had two of those. Four of his touchdowns were 20 plus yard touchdowns to it. And you talk about touchdowns, which were a big component of where he finished for from a tight end ranking last year being incredibly difficult to reproduce. So this is one of those that it could go one of two ways, right? When you think about it from the standpoint of he could be that big body target that when they get into the redzone. They utilize him more this year, which could save that touchdown production, but with some of those other additions that they have on the wide receiving Corps. The same case can be made that they’re going to target those guys when they get down there. And if that’s the case, you probably see him going from six touchdowns to like three or four touchdowns next year, which take him from probably being, you know, tied in seven, eight, all the way back down to Titan 1213. And so for those reasons, again, I’m not going to be spending up into a ninth round type of type of draft capital on that I’ll punt the position, and I’ll get a tight end that, you know, is touchdown dependent. But those touchdown dependent tight ends typically have offenses where they’re going to utilize that tight end once they get into that red zone. And that’s not necessarily what we saw from Miami this past year, especially wants to what took over there. So
Steven Pintado 1:10:43
on track here, actually, to this is a contract here. So that could be beneficial as well to see if he meets step up as another positive note on them. Because they did sign Hunter Long and they didn’t sign but they drafted Hunter Long in the fourth round this year, that guy was kind of an overall tight end kind of individual. So that could be them maybe moving on after kiseki this coming season. So if he wants to stay with Miami or look for a big contract after this, this is the year for him to do it. So
Derek 1:11:13
yeah. Now Now you’ve thrown another wrench in my conundrum there because, yeah, we always talk about talk look for guys that are in contract years and prove it years and and those types of things. But this is one of those that there’s enough question marks on both sides either for and against that I’m just going to be out on this one. And I’ll be looking, yeah, like my tried and true strategy of finding a titan and the 13th 14th round and just streaming the position throughout the season and moving along that way. So there any other tight ends we want to talk about down there in Miami?
Steven Pintado 1:11:46
Not not really not consistently enough. I mean, there’s going to be definitely again, we have drones, Mike, I think Adam Shaheen is still there for long. I mean, these guys, they’re going to get a touchdown or two here and there on depending on the formation of the plays, but they’re not someone that you can consistently add on your fantasy teams right now.
Derek 1:12:10
Very true. Well, let’s go ahead and head over to the quarterback room and Tua Tagovailo is still there coming into his sophomore season. We’ll see what he does there but finished as qb 32. Last year 186, completions on 290 attempts, 1814 yards with 11, passing touchdowns, five interceptions, and had another 109 and three on the ground guys, your thoughts on two.
Tua Tagovailoa QB Miami Dolphins 2021 Fantasy Football
Kevin 1:12:41
I want to see to a run more like that. Normally, you’re talking about oh, we want our quarterback to run less. And this is actually one of those opposite situations like to his ability to extend plays with his legs will help make him a better passer. And and while he wasn’t the pure runner that I’m gonna say Jalen hertz, just because they played Alabama at the same time, right, they were that little bit of a contrast hurts scrambled a little bit more could make plays happen with his legs a little bit more easily than to a could, but to still show that ability. He’s He’s swift of foot enough that he can get outside I want to see him scramble a little bit more extend some plays, use these deep threats, whether it’s water going deep, whether it’s will fold her going deep, something like that. But I do think we’re gonna see improvement. I think too. I think too, it was very much a guy who was recovering from an injury who missed all the extra opportunities coming into them in the NFL, due to the COVID shortened season that was 20. So I’m I’m not writing him off. I’m not in the camp that thinks Oh, that was a waste of a pic. And they’re going to get rid of them in four more years and or three more years and not to give him his fifth year option. Like I’m not buying that, I think to a has a pedigree about him. That people he he rallies guys. It’s one of the things that the dolphins liked about him last year. I like the fact that now Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t there so that way to a has to finish some of these games like part of being a professional athlete is learning how to overcome adversity. And I do feel like that’s where the dolphin stunted some of his growth last year was to would face some adversity. And because they were in a playoff push, the dolphins went Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, right? You come out and sit over here and watch Fitzpatrick because he’s played for 14 seasons. And so that way, if we lose the game, we can blame it on him. But, you know, don’t Don’t you know, take offense to this but we’re gonna sit you down because we don’t think you can come back and win this game. That’s how I read as a fan now, what they’re telling them inside the locker room. God only knows right, that stuff stays inside the locker room. The reports that we got was to, uh, took it like a real pro. He understood the the mechanics behind them pulling him off of these games. But I’m excited to see him finish this stuff out, I want to see him push in the fourth quarter, I want to see him run a two minute offense when they you know, they’re down by four and they need a touchdown. Like, these are the things that I want to see before I can truly sign off on to being a solid NFL quarterback, or, you know, the next lifelong backup because he’s too good to ignore, but he’s not good enough to do whatever. I want to believe you know, that that he’s an NFL starter, but it’s too soon to tell guys like the dolphins didn’t do us any favors and showing us that last year. So now with the full offseason, I’m ready to see it. I’m willing to take a flyer on him as my second quarterback in a superflex League like, especially if I’m really waiting on that second quarterback. Is he my top option? No, probably not just based off a fantasy football scoring and how those formats work. But there are worse options than than to Denver has one of them. And two of them. No. Absolutely. So and quite frankly, I trust that more than I trust the situation that’s going to go on in Chicago with them saying Andy Dalton‘s the starter, but Justin Fields is there. You have trade lands in San Francisco. So does Jimmy g do this year or not so former fantasy football standpoint. Jacoby presets there but Jacoby brissette is not going to go your set is not as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick. So they’re not going to pull to it and let Jacoby go in there and take his licks like that’s not what they brought him in for Jacoby is a true backup. So I’m excited about this. I hope the kid does well, I think they’ve done a good job putting pieces around him. Now it’s film study, preparation, growth and development. Like let’s see what this kid can do and let it roll out there because God I am tired of the Patriots winning that division. And I don’t like the bills that much either. So I might as well root for the dolphins on that side.
Alex 1:17:18
I think the biggest the biggest issue for to last year. And Kevin, you said it was the fact that he there was always somebody right there, right? Like he, he couldn’t go out and play free. He wasn’t allowed to go out and make some of these rookie mistakes because of the situation that Miami was in, and that they needed to get to win games to get into the playoffs. I mean, that was their ultimate goal last year, it wasn’t like they were gonna make a run in the playoffs to get in the tournament, and you know, see what can happen. But I mean, this clearly wasn’t, you know, a team that that had Super Bowl aspirations. But you know, you want to you want to establish a winning culture. So you have to do what you can to win. And I think that’s what Brian Brian Flores was doing down there was showing that I’m not afraid to do whatever it takes to win. I’m willing I’m willing to sit my first round quarterback just so we can win a football game. But I think that also has a downside to it in that Tula is constantly looking over his shoulder and he can’t play free and when football players play free, that’s when they play their best and sure there will be mistakes made along the way and he didn’t have the benefit of the the full offseason. And so again, he was learning on the job like a lot of the guys that we’ve talked about it to me and Kevin, I’m right there with you. It is put up or shut up time, which is kind of unfair to say for a sophomore quarterback for a quarterback going into a second season, but it is put up or shut up time for to it and we’ll learn a lot about him in terms of you know what he’s got because you don’t face all that much adversity when you’re at the University of Alabama and the game that he faced the most adversity he was able to come in and play free because they were down by what was it three scores four scores and he was able to come in and and just do what he wanted to do because a hell What are you going to do lose the game we’re already losing you can only go up from there. So I think that there will be a lot of you we need to see that growth. We need to see that development out of him. And you’re right Kevin, he’s not a QB one by any means any stretch of the imagination, but in a super flex Li You know, I think that if you get him at the right spot if he’s still hanging around there when you’re shopping around for a second quarterback that you know is going to be a starter and you can plug in week in and week out know that you’re going to get starter numbers out of that two, two is a very good option there.
Steven Pintado 1:19:55
Yeah, and like I said, I’m selling to a train personally guys like as a fan as an analyst. I think he can still provide what people saw when he was coming out of college here. I mean, again, he got the injury. November 2019. He started his first game. I think it was October 30 2020, less than a year ago. I mean, the injury recovery time on that typical injury was six to 12 months. And even then, you know, how much you really getting on the field to do preparation watch practice, we really getting into it was him just kind of getting back in the groove of things. Again, you guys, right? You got to sit behind Fitzpatrick and how to like, Hey, I’m gonna jump in the game if you’re not performing. And he didn’t want to make those mistakes on the field to have them do it anyway. So it just never worked out for him overall. I mean, he I think the receiving Corps was pretty bad most of the second half of the season with him on the field. With Parker. Missing games with Preston Williams played really good in the one game they actually played together. Outside of that Rams game and he was gone for the rest of the season. Micah sickie missed a game or two here. I mean, they were down, they were down to like Lynn Bowden as one of their starting wide receivers at one point. So they gave weapons now they have gave him weapons actually can help them spread the field here. He’s probably one of the more accurate quarterbacks in this league here. I think he finished like third in the accuracy rating among quarterback last season. And again, everyone that seems about not throwing the ball downfield deep. I think that was mostly the OC not giving him the opportunity to do that, like Brian Fitzpatrick, you know, you trust a seasoned vet to make those kind of throws you don’t trust a rookie off the bat to do those kinds of things. We have new coordinators, now two coordinators, apparently in Miami, that I think will mix things up in here. And, you know, in college, his yards per attempt was 11.2. Then both Herbert and Joe burrows in their college years that respectively the year they came out, and everyone loves Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert as the guys who build the ball downfield deep, too I think you can do it it just now you gave him the weapons to do it. He’s building if you’ve been if you guys on Miami fans, but he’s he’s been putting a lot of work in the weight room trying to get stronger and bigger. I mean, he looks completely different than he did a year ago, today. So he’s given the opportunities given the keys the car, just that you just gotta learn how to drive. And I think he has an opportunity with the talent that he has this coming season.
Derek 1:22:08
Yeah, your The interesting thing is with two of that move that they kept doing, I’ve seen that move happen a lot in baseball. Very rarely do you see it happen in football, where you’re talking about a coach going, Hey, bring in the righty, let’s let’s let’s close this game out. So what was very interesting there, and I’m not gonna, you know, labor the point there, because you guys have touched on that. But what will be very interesting to see is what do they do? Are they going to really let him loose and really run because when you looked at it, he averaged about four rushing attempts a game last year, over the course of what’s going to be a 17 game season, you’re talking about him? If that holds true in the similar fashion, is he going to be a guy that’s going to get you know, 70 rushing attempts over the course of a season, which, as a quarterback that’s going to provide a very good floor there. But or that is the case can be that they’re going to really let him loose and do those types of things. And in which case then, you know, are we going to see him potentially get to 100 rushing attempts on a on a year scramble drill, things like that. And in which case if he does, that’ll, that’ll be a very interesting tell there because right now over the last few seasons in the NFL, quarterbacks that have a rushing 100 rushing attempts in a season it’s a strange little benchmark there but at 100 rushing attempts, only one over the last three seasons has finished outside of qb 12 territory that was cam last year on that very poor patriots offense or towards that back half, but so I don’t know that he’s going to necessarily get 200 rush attempts if he does that’s going to send him way up way up the boards there but I think realistically where you can expect him is probably going to be about quarterback 20 when it’s all said and done on this year. I don’t know that you’re going to see him really break into the teens, but probably that’s probably about where I’m going to see him early on here about qb 20 on the year which would make it a worthwhile superflex option. So Alrighty, guys, any other final thoughts on the Miami Dolphins go fins, hashtag fins up,
Steven Pintado 1:24:28
hands up.
Derek 1:24:29
Alright. Alrighty guys, well, I do believe that that’s going to wrap up yet another episode of the good old boys fantasy football podcast make sure that you hit up Steve on his socials and you can find those down in the show notes. Make sure that you hit us up on our socials with the Twitter Instagram Facebook and Twitch at good old boys FF the website goodoldboysff.com and the YouTube channel the good old boys fantasy football podcast YouTube channel, hit the follow hit the subscribe the like buttons, all of that on those things. We very much appreciate For Kevin and Alex, I’m Derek Have a good one. Be safe.