SUMMARY KEYWORDS
quarterback, nfl, game, matthew stafford, jared goff, dynasty, draft, point, play, year, nba, league, patrick, props, rams, pick, tom brady, running, herbert, derrick henry
SPEAKERS
Alex, Intro, Derek, Kevin
Intro 00:05
You’re listening to the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Now here’s your host, Kevin, Derek and Alex.
Derek 00:14
Alrighty. Welcome in ladies and gentlemen to another episode of the good old boys fantasy football podcast. I’m Derek and I’m joined as always, by your co host, Kevin Alex, guys, how we doing tonight?
Kevin 00:25
we are doing good. Got to catch a little bit of the senior bowl over the weekend. And getting ready for all the fun and festivities that this Sunday will bring for us as we wrap up the 2020 NFL season. I’m super excited, this game is going to be a hell of a lot of fun to watch a lot of huge names in this matchup a lot of storylines that we’ll get into here later on the show. But overall, I’m excited this, this is going to be the best game of the year, hopefully and hopefully kick 2020 off or I guess tie 2020 up with a nice little bow. As we get ready for 2021. I’m pretty sure everybody’s going don’t repeat, don’t hit the reset button. Don’t hit the back button don’t put you know what all things considered. This year was a success for the NFL, right? Like without the fans, through some of the wonky weeks that we had to make minor adjustments that that were a struggle for fantasy players such as ourselves. But overall, having 32 teams spread across the country flying coast to coast each week for games, and having the minimal amount of disruptions that we did. The NFL has to be going ha we are King, we can do this. Like, I’m impressed. I’m impressed with the players. I’m impressed with the organizations. I’m impressed with how the NFL handled it overall. Yes, there’s things that they can look back on and do differently. But guys, you know, how can you look back at the season and give them a grade of anything worse than an A minus on how they handled it, how they got through the season on time with minimal disruption. And, you know, we were able to see football at at pretty much our leisure because it was on every night of the week.
Derek 02:17
You know, the other sports certainly can’t say that baseball had several, several different times where they had to postpone and move games and same thing so far with the NBA with them restarting up, they’ve had several postponements and moves. Same thing with the NHL having several postponements right now so no, the NFL definitely definitely did a very good job being able to complete the season and complete the season on time without having to cancel any games.
Kevin 02:42
Why? Why is it that you guys think the NBA is having issues this go round? Obviously, they had the bubble last year. But for teams and organizations that are roughly one fifth the size of NFL teams and organizations? Why is the NBA having so many issues where the NFL could have spun out of control, right? If someone tested hot, and they were in the wrong circles, and you’re, you know, you can get 2030 people down at a whack. And I guess percentage wise, maybe it’s the same but the MBAs they’ve can’t postpone I’m not gonna say canceled. They’ve postponed 25-30 games already. I mean, it just seems a little out of whack.
Alex 03:28
What I think the case is, is that the NFL is it was much more of a militaristic mindset, you take orders, you follow orders. That’s what players have to do each. Each time they break the huddle, they get to play, they have to follow the play each time for a game gameplan they get the game plan, they have to follow the game plan, but it’s much more militaristic in how they are intrinsically ingrained in their heads that you take orders, you follow orders, I think that is the difference between the NFL and the NBA is that in the NBA, there’s much more creative space allowed, there are systems, there are systems that you have to fall into. But there’s so much more room for creativity during the course of an NBA game during the course of an NBA season held during the course of an NBA play, if you will, an offensive possession. Whereas in the NFL, football players, you know that that’s just their mindset is to take orders and to follow those orders. And if you don’t follow those orders, you’re letting down 10 other guys on the field, you’re letting down 52 other guys on the bench, and you’re letting down an entire organization of 200 300 people in the process. So I think that because the numbers are so great in the NFL, that these guys were so much more inclined to make it work. I also think there’s, you know, a big disparity among some of these guys that are making league minimum versus some of these highly paid superstars in the NFL that these guys Making league minimum need those paychecks they need to make sure that they’re getting those the highly paid superstars, which let’s be honest, most everybody in the NBA is paid pretty dang Well, you’re allowed to have a little bit more freedom, you know, when you when you’re paid that, well, when you’re viewed that way, and when you view yourself that way, you’re allowed to have a little bit more freedom, you know, you kind of feel like the the Teflon Don, if you will. So I think that that’s where the difference is that take quarters, follow orders, versus the NBA, where it’s, it’s not so structured. It’s not as structured as as an NFL team is. So I think that that’s where we’re seeing a little bit of a difference in that everybody one through 53 on a roster or, you know, one through 300 on in an organization, they all have the same goal in mind that they needed to get this done for various reasons. Whereas in the NBA, we have so many chances to play these games, we have a bigger swath, you know, we have six months to play whatever it is 50 games, versus the NFL that you miss a week, that’s one 16th of your season, that’s gone. And honestly, I think, you know, if you miss one week, that probably becomes two weeks. So there’s one eighth of your season that’s gone. And that’s not good. You can’t You can’t do that. Whereas the NBA, they’ve got you’ve got more opportunities to play. So I think that that’s a major contributing factor to why the NFL was able to be so successful because of the dire consequences for more than just the superstars versus what the NBA is having to go through.
Derek 06:39
No, I think you’ve got some very good points there. I think too, when you when you look at it, you know, from a logistical standpoint, as well. We did see your COVID creep up and get some of the teams, you know, throughout the NFL season. And you’re just kind of kind of putting this in perspective when you have a 53 man roster versus like a 15 man roster, which is what a lot of NBA teams have. You’re really talking about, you know, for instance, the Broncos when they had to play with a practice player wide receiver as quarterback because the the quarterback room got hit with it. Yeah, that’s that’s four guys on the team. And while that’s a smaller percentage of an NFL roster, like you’re talking less than 10% type of thing, you’re talking a third to a third to almost a half of the team being in that in that same type of predicament there. So it makes it tougher to necessarily play games, the fact to that they’re there so back back to back to back and where the NFL you have one game a week, the NBA you have for three to four games a week, it if things kind of stockpile up there, you know, kind of creates a little bit of a backlog and then they’ve got to postpone more down the road. So I think you’re onto something there. Alex, I think there’s also some logistical things that come into play there as well from just the amount of players and, and how that kind of comes to the forefront.
Alex 08:05
I was going to say that this last weekend, though, is the preview of many, many Sundays to come after this second weekend in February this first weekend in February, I guess that Oh, boy, what do we do with our Sundays again, you know, it’s the honey do list it can only get put off for so long before you’re gonna have to actually start checking some boxes on it. So this was this was a preview weekend. And it’s it’s kind of nice that the NFL allows us to have a weekend where we can kind of get back into it kind of, you know, kind of have a Sunday free and then we get back we have you know, the one game the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday. And then and then we have to deal with the rest of the rest of the Sundays until August. But yeah, that’s always kind of the interesting part about this off week and Pro Bowl, whatever, you know, it doesn’t matter. But to not have football on a Sunday. That’s it’s just it’s just very strange after having football on a Sunday for the last five, six months.
Derek 09:03
All right, guys, if you haven’t had a chance already, make sure the chop on to Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, give us a follow there at @GoodOldBoysFF, we’ve also got the website for you. goodoldboysff.com. And we’ve got some content coming to the YouTube channel here very shortly with the good old boys fantasy football podcast YouTube channel. So make sure that you’re checking that out there as well. We’ve got a great show for you coming at you tonight we’re going to talk about a lot of the news. We’re going to talk a lot about, there’s a little thing called the Super Bowl happening this weekend. And we’re going to talk a lot about that. We’ve got a lot of props coming for you. We’ve got even some burning questions coming your way as well. Some things that start keeping in mind as you transition from this season into next season for both fantasy and dynasty. But guys, let’s go ahead and get on over into the news and you may have heard Matthew Stafford was traded to the Rams for Jared Goff to future first round picks and a third round pick. Baltimore is extending Nick Boyle two years for an additional 13 mil. Joe Burrow is on track with his ACL recovery. deshaun Watson has officially requested a trade. The Texans did hire David Culley as their new head coach. And rumors are stirring between the 40 Niners and the Vikings about trading some quarterbacks among some other assets. Guys, what are your thoughts about some of this news coming out?
Kevin 10:32
The Deshaun Watson thing does not surprise me. We touched on this last week. He wants out like then there’s really only three teams that can do this. And it’s whether it’s Miami, it’s the Jets or Jacksonville because they hold the first overall pick. And that carries so much weight on these draft boards is why Jacksonville’s potentially in play but I think that’s a dark horse. Outside of that your two most likely options are the jets and the Miami Dolphins. We’ll see as the week’s come kind of how that unfolds. And as we start getting, you know, word from the rumor mill on who’s active who’s looking into this, what they’re kind of thinking about and everything else. The Matt Stafford deal is gold. Absolutely gold. I was so frustrated. The Denver Broncos didn’t go after Matt Stafford. And for people who didn’t understand this trade. Let’s break it down real quick. The Detroit Lions are sending Matthew Stafford to the LA Rams in exchange for two first round picks and a third round pick and Jared Goff. Some people say well, you know, the the Rams, the Rams overpaid for Matthew Stafford, it’s not that much better. Here’s why they had to do this. Matthew Stafford is essentially the baseline of what you want your franchise quarterback to be right. anything better than Matthew Stafford is golden. Anything not as good as Matthew Stafford and you should be looking to improve that position. He’s just that baseline model. So with that, the lions, excuse me, the Rams essentially gave up a first and a third round pick for Matthew Stafford. Okay. The first round pick went with golf to offset the ridiculous salary that the Rams scientists contract to because you got to remember, God’s contract is out of this league stupid for what his skill set is he just cashed in at the right time.
Alex 12:40
Another quarterback in that draft class,
Kevin 12:43
right? Absolutely. So that’s where that trade comes down to guys. It’s not. It’s not that the Rams gave up all that for Matthew Stafford. They paid for Matthew Stafford. And then they had to pay the lions to take Jared Goff contract. So this is a great trade for the for the Rams, a great trade for the Rams, Jared Goff averaged six yards, six yards per target. Matthew Stafford average is 10. So what this does is it takes Shaun McVeigh’s playbook and it drastically expands it. Because one thing that Jared Goff would not do is take the deep shot down the field, they had a hard time stretching the defense vertically. Matthew Stafford does not have that problem he has. He has a top five and arguably a top three arm in the NFL. He has a cannon. He has now a team with an offensive line that can support running the football consistently taking some pressure off of him and past Pro with two wide receivers in Cooper cup and Robert Woods along with Tyler higbee. We’ll see what Gerald Everett does in free agency that supports this offensive prowess that Sean McVeigh wants to run. Jared Goff with a bum thumb gave the Packers a run for their money at the end of the playoff game. Right at the end of the divisional round. Do you think Matt Stafford can cover six points? Yeah, probably so is that much better that puts them theoretically in the conference championship game. And that’s what it does. It’s not that he’s going to be an instant MVP candidate. But guys, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Matthew Stafford lead the league and touchdown passes in 2021. And I also would not be surprised to see him well within the top 10 for quarterbacks in 2021 in Sean McVeigh system. So I think it’s a win win. The Lions got their draft picks. They have a younger quarterback that they can kind of fart around with here for a couple years until I figure out what they’re doing. But the Rams got their stable veteran quarterback who can throw the ball down the field. Stretch the defense. And quite frankly, that’s what you need against Seattle until Seattle improves their secondary. That’s how you beat them, you go down the field and play those games. So I expect to see the Rams fighting for the NFC West Division title again in 2021. And I do expect them to make a little bit more noise in the playoffs, provided that Matthew Stafford stays healthy. So I think it’s a great move.
Alex 15:24
Yeah, I think I think that the Rams obviously won this deal. But, you know, when you just look at it on paper, it seems like the lions got away with this, because they did get so much in return. But you’re right, Kevin, Jared Goffs contract is a problem. It’s, it’s an issue that I don’t know how many suitors there actually were, that would be willing to take on that contract. At the same time, have you know, they were very much in the in the driver’s seat with who they wanted, who they wanted to dance with. And so when you get the right suitor, and you get the right deal, yeah, you pull the trigger. The interesting thing to me, though, is is Stafford’s age at 32. Which, which isn’t bad, don’t get me wrong, the plenty of quarterbacks have had great post 30 careers, and especially now that the league is so geared towards protecting the quarterback, we’re going to see these guys stick around. And for a long time, I think, you know, Matt Stafford probably still has six, seven years in six, seven quality years in. And you can get a lot done in six to seven years. I mean, look at what the Rams did in the three years that they you know, three, four years that they had Jared Goff, they made it to a Super Bowl with Jared Goff and just three or four years. So it’ll be interesting to see what those picks turn out to be, you know, we always always talk about the known versus the unknown. And right now, we don’t know what those picks will be. But I think that the Rams got better at their quarterback position. I also think the lions got better with what they can turn those pics into. Over the course of the next several years. You got a new head coach, obviously it’s Detroit. So like eight wins is a great season in Detroit. If you are flirting with the playoffs, that’s a great season in Detroit. So new head coach, you get a quarterback in there that hopefully buys into the system that you can you can kind of work with But yeah, I think it wins all the way around. Back to the deshaun Watson stuff, though. You know, this obviously became kind of the baseline for what we’re expecting out of these these quarterbacks, what the return might be for a franchise quarterback with a gaadi contract. And that deal basically disqualified a ton of teams from getting deshaun Watson because bill O’Brien’s not still in Houston. So you can’t just trade a bag of rocks to get Deshaun Watson out of Houston anymore, you’re gonna have to have some sort of substance, I assume, with a new GM and coach. So it will be interesting to see that Domino and how it relates to what this Domino was
Kevin 18:12
in context. I’m going to take one quick step back and I move back to this golf Stafford thing. So Stafford has three years left on on his deal. In 2021, he is owed $33 million in 2022 $26 million and 2023 $3 million. That’s it $3 million to get to the end of this contract if you don’t extend him and everything else. So extremely affordable, given the fact that you know, they’re paying up for him one year and then at that $26 million range. Guys, that’s, that’s middle tier quarterback at this point, the way the NFL is paying that position that’s right in the middle of the road, so you’re not overpaying for someone. Jared Goff on the other hand, is do $34.9 million, this year, $32.9 million in 2022 $32.4 million in 2023 and $28.4 million in 2024. So that that’s why the draft picks to cover the cash because there are so much more of a financial investment to go with Jared Goff because it in 2023. You can technically cut Matt, it’s $3 million against the cap, which is nothing for these NFL teams and move on. Jared Goff does not have that. Jared Goff is dead cap in 2023 would be $8.6 million, which is a pretty sizable chunk, and then that final your 2024 is dead cap space is only 1.8. So that’s, that’s where I was coming from with some of the financial side of things to understand why the draft picks are involved. And how these guys are getting paid out through these next few years and their current contracts. This is a terrible deal for Jared Goff like kudos to his agent for cashing in at the right time, because Jared Goff is not worth $30 million. Plus, he does not play as a top 10 quarterback. And we’re gonna find out just how good he is or how good Sean McVeigh was for him because of this contract and what he’s gonna have to do in Detroit with a with a cast around him that’s extremely less than, if you will than what he had in LA with the Rams.
Derek 20:35
I think it’s about to get even less than more. So from the standpoint that I don’t see Kenny golladay coming back to Detroit, unless they just roll up the the armored truck and go take what you want. Same thing to Marvin Jones most likely won’t be back to
Kevin 20:51
you almost has to be done. He like if you use if you lose golladay? Don’t you have to sack up and pay Marvin Jones like 7 million just to keep her out?
Derek 20:59
Yeah, but I Marvin Jones also towards the end of that thing, and at that point, does he try and do you know, pick a winner in the offseason take a little bit less money to chase a ring type of thing so that there’s a lot of dynamics at play there that I think are? Do they really want to stick around and get thrown to by Jared Goff I think there’s a lot of that going into it and is when you look at both golladay and Marvin Jones, where they really thrive is on that kind of deep past that deep route. And as you already mentioned, Kevin, that’s not Jared Goff forte, and not where he likes to play at those six yards, a target type of deal. And that’s actually interesting, Alex, with the point that you were bringing up earlier, where you’re talking about does this reset the market, so to speak for quarterbacks? And I think to a point it does, especially in the fans, mind, and in even some of the analysts minds that it it resets the market for it. But from, you know, an NFL GM standpoint, I don’t know that necessarily resets the market. Yes, deshaun. Watson is probably a top five talent, I think we can all probably agree on that point. Whereas Matt Stafford, you probably top 12 type of deal in the league. But the problem that you’ve got is it’s very similar. It reminded me a lot of Brock Osweiler. A few years ago, when the Texans traded him to the browns, the Browns took on that contract to send draft picks down there. So it was one of those that you’re paying up, you’re paying up for that that contract type of issue going on there. That’s really where I kind of saw that that come into play. Because Jared Goff, I know Kevin went pretty deep into the future years, but his dead cap space, this year alone is about $44 million. So a huge number there. Next year is also an astronomical dead cap space. So you’re stuck with with that contract for a while and just kind of getting paid up on that.
Kevin 22:51
Bring on the Super Bowl.
Derek 22:52
Let’s jump over into the Super Bowl. There’s a lots of props going through there. And we’ve got some fun ones set up for us. So guys, let’s go ahead and hop over into some props for the Super Bowl. And we’ll go ahead and kick it off. They’re going to read a poem before the game gets going. And so my question to you is, what is the first word of the poem?
Kevin 23:15
How,
Derek 23:16
Alex, your first word of the poem, The Oh, that was what I was taking as well. I had mine written down so I’m gonna stick with that as well. Actually, you know what? I’m gonna change mine since you went there. I’m
Alex 23:30
gonna say I can change mine to A
Derek 23:34
Oh, there you go. No,
Alex 23:35
go with a
Derek 23:37
I’m going to take hero or the plural of heroes. That’s that’s what I’m gonna I’m gonna go with hero Alex, you’ve got
Alex 23:45
I’ll stay with God. Then I’ll stay with the
Derek 23:47
Kevin’s got How? All right. So over under the time of the national anthem is 120 and a half seconds. So just so basically two and a half, two minutes. What’s the What’s your thoughts there over under
Alex 24:04
the anthem is going to be sung by Jazmine Sullivan and Eric church will be a duet. Who so there was a year where I think Demi Lovato song was that last year or Demi Lovato sung it and I thought oh, she’s going to go so far over because she’s just gonna riff for like 10 minutes and then she crushed it and came in at like a minute 15 like she cruised through that song. So I’ve been gun shy about the the over under on the anthem at two minutes. I will take the over those since it is a duet.
Derek 24:39
All three of us taking the same on the over there. I was gonna take the under on a solo performance but the fact that it to do it taking the over will there be a scoring drive that takes less game time than the national anthem?
Alex 24:55
I first saw I’ve never heard this prop that before and I love it. I love it. So much. I love the prop bets that make you go. Oh, that’s it’s tasty. It’s a tasty proper sentence, I’m going with the fact that I think that the anthem is going to be under or excuse me over two minutes. I’ll fade here and take the under here. So I’ll say there will be a scoring drive that is shorter than the anthem performance in game clock time. All it takes is 1, 50 yard run.
Kevin 25:27
I’m gonna pivot. No,
Derek 25:29
I’m gonna say yes, because I think you’ll see a Patrick Mahomes the Tyree Hill just bombed
Alex 25:36
the yard run and then a play later and you’re in
Derek 25:38
Exactly. So I’m going to take Yes, heads or tails.
Alex 25:43
This is the problem that I stay away from because it’s literally 5050. And it’s complete and blind luck, but tails never fails. So tails,
Kevin 25:50
tails as well.
Derek 25:51
I will take heads on that one. The first offensive play of the game. Besides the kickoff, I know where you were going, besides the kickoff the first actual offensive play run.
Alex 26:02
Like will it be a run or a pass? Is that what we’re asking? Yes. Guys, remember from the Super Bowl. That didn’t happen a few years ago, actually the anniversary of the Super Bowl. That didn’t happen as we record this podcast, where it was a safety on the first offensive play that would have won you some serious coin. I will say it will be a run.
Kevin 26:21
Pass.
Derek 26:22
I’m going to say pass,
Alex 26:23
you have to answer Kevin. You guys both have to you can’t just pass on this.
Derek 26:28
It’ll be a passing play there, Alex.
Alex 26:29
That’s an elite dad joke right there. That’s elite dad jokes. Love that just for clarity. Chad, the first team to score Tampa, Kansas City.
Derek 26:40
I’m going with the Chiefs as well. I think the Chiefs will win the will ultimately lose the coin flip. Camp is going to differ. Kansas City will go down the score first play and it’ll be a pass. First play they’re going to score in the first place. So
Alex 26:54
they’ll knock out the scoring drive. That’ll be 10 seconds. Here all your props are going to be done by 1450 on the clock.
Derek 27:04
That’s okay by me. As long as as long as I get them right that’s okay by me. The first score of the game will be
Alex 27:10
a rushing touchdown.
Derek 27:12
I was just looking for touchdown or field goal whatever. Oh, you know what we’ll get specific here.
Alex 27:18
I’ll go rushing touchdown.
Derek 27:20
And again since I think that Kansas City’s going to do it I’m going to say passing touchdown as well. Probably be a tap past the time around the end. But you know, cheater, exactly. shovel, the jersey number of the first player to score a touchdown in the game. does it end odd or even? odd? odd. I’m also going to take odd as well. Is there a score in the final two minutes of the first half?
Alex 27:49
Yes,
Kevin 27:49
yes.
Derek 27:50
Who is leading at halftime?
Kevin 27:52
Kansas City,
Alex 27:53
Kansas City.
Derek 27:55
I think I’m gonna go Kansas City’s there as well. The first song that will be performed at during the halftime show.
Kevin 28:02
I have no idea what this cat even sings
Alex 28:04
so he can write. I’m gonna go He probably will end with blinding lights, although that would be a very good opener. So what’s his newest song? He just released a new song called save your tears, apparently. So I think he might go with that to start. But blinding lights wouldn’t be a very solid choice.
Kevin 28:28
I differ. I know nothing about this guy. I have no interest in betting this at all.
Derek 28:34
So I’m going to say that he starts off with blinded by the lights and
Alex 28:38
blinding, blinding lights. blinded by the lights is a completely different spot.
Derek 28:43
What was that Manfried’s Man or something?
Alex 28:46
Yeah, it’s
Derek 28:47
Yes. So I’m sorry, wrong, wrong genre and, you know, millennia. So I’m gonna take blinding lights, I think he’ll end with can’t feel my face. So it’s fair. And Kevin punted that one. So is there a final score in the final two minutes of the game?
Alex 29:09
Is there a score? Yes.
Derek 29:12
Oh, will there be an onsite What do you say? tempted? I’m taking Yes. Okay. I believe that this will be a high score in a fair onside
Alex 29:21
kick. No,
Kevin 29:25
no.
Derek 29:26
I’m going to take Yes.
Alex 29:28
Yeah, come out and pull up the saints did I can are what the Colts did to the saints, I think,
Derek 29:34
right? What will be the highest
Alex 29:36
to the Colts. That’s what it was.
Derek 29:38
What will be the highest scoring quarter?
Alex 29:40
Second?
Kevin 29:41
Two.
Derek 29:45
You know what I’m gonna be. I’m going to say the third just for grins there. And so that’ll take us over into the highest scoring half. First, second. I’m going to also take the second What is the color of the Gatorade poured on the winning head coach?
Alex 30:04
yellow,
Kevin 30:06
yellow.
Derek 30:07
I’m gonna take orange. Are they
Alex 30:09
allowed to do that in COVID life? Are they allowed to dunk Gatorade?
Derek 30:14
Well we’ll find out? I yeah.
Kevin 30:17
Why not?
Alex 30:18
I actually think it might be water so I would go I can I can I change to Clear.
Derek 30:25
Clear. Okay, we’ll go clear I think it’ll be orange although I do like the you know they just get us go swimming in yellow in the yellow winning the Super Bowl. So that’s that’s kind of a fun thought that you guys put in the mind there. Who’s your MVP winner for the game?
Kevin 30:40
The winning team’s quarterback.
Derek 30:43
Gripping analysis there. Yeah,
Alex 30:50
See that’s funny because I can see. Yeah, well and especially after last year where it was robbed from Damian Williams. Yeah. Who got it robbed from him by Patrick mahomes. Ah,
Derek 31:04
I will go. I will go Tom Brady. I’m going to go mahomes as well, I think the Chiefs will win that which will go ahead and take us into the next part. We’re gonna break down the game a little bit. We’ve also got a lot of fun with some actual game props, as well get a new partnership to announce. But guys Kansas City, Tampa Bay. Right now it looks like Tampa Bay’s got plus three with a 56 and a half over under what are your thoughts on the big game over
Kevin 31:38
and Kansas City?
Alex 31:41
Okay, realistically, and this is a game, this game that I like to play with my buddy where we send props to each other and then we’ll go after we kind of after we make our selections will ask what the difference point is. To me. I think if they set this over under at like 63 which will scare a lot of professional betters away. I think that the under would get hammered in a 63. But I think that’s realistic. I will take the over as well. What do you say 56 and a half? Yes, because I feel like 63 is a point where I would really struggle with it over under and a give me a Tampa Bay and the points. I think Tampa wins this one. I’m hoping Tampa wins this one. I guess that’s probably the better way to say it. So give me Tampa plus three
Derek 32:37
already. I’m going to take Kansas City and I’m going to take the over I pick Kansas City to be the repeat before the season and I’m not going to change that now. So guys, we do have a new partnership to announce we’ve we’ve partnered up with thrive fantasy, and they’ve got some good stuff going on over there so you can come on over and hashtag prop up on thrive fantasy this season thrive fantasies a daily fantasy sports app for player props, they’ve eliminated the need to do countless hours of research because they only asked you about top tier athletes in the respective sport. So with the NFL you can choose out of 10 different you can choose 10 prop bets out of 20 to build your lineup, and each prop bet has a fantasy point total associated with the overunder based on its likelihood to occur. The more points the selections is worth the riskier it is rack up the most points to win a share of the prize pool. So guys, you can use our promo code, which is GOBFF when you sign up today and you’ll receive an instant deposit match up to $50 on your first deposit of $20 or more download thrive fantasy on the app store or play store or by visiting their website at www.thrive fantasy.com sign up and prop up today. Guys, let’s go ahead and look at some of the props there. We’re gonna each pick one prop out of this.
Alex 34:04
Okay, well I’ll start with the one before we’re just gonna take one even though you got to take 10 on the thrive fantasy app. The one that I like that I’m the most confident and is Tom Brady two and a half total passing touchdowns in interceptions. Give me the over on that one. Which will net mean 80 points on that. So give me the over on Tom Brady. Two and a half total passing touchdowns and interceptions.
Kevin 34:34
I am going to take the Ronald Jones rushing yards and I want to say he will be under 49 and a half rushing yards.
Derek 34:45
All righty. I’m going to take the Patrick mahomes and I think the guy that I’ve picked to win the MVP is going to have over 320 and a half passing and rushing yards on that game so I’m not sure Take the mahomes over on the pass and rush yards over 320
Kevin 35:06
most interesting prop I’ve seen that guy does not on thrive fantasy. Tom Brady. Over under point five rushing yards.
Alex 35:18
That’s so fun. I love Tom Brady rushing yards props. I I would take the over two weeks I think there’s gonna be a fourth and one that he converts because he’s a king at fourth and one conversion but if you
Kevin 35:29
have them winning when he kneels down, he loses those. That’s true.
Alex 35:33
That is true.
Derek 35:35
I have them losing so I don’t think he’s taking these
Kevin 35:38
all the time.
Alex 35:39
I would I would still take the Cali I love Tom Brady rushing props. I like I’ll take the under because in the NFL they don’t they don’t they don’t take sack yard enjoy from rush yardage. It’s it’s taken out of past yardage so and it’s taken from Team past yardage not the individual player, which is weird. So I’ll take the under 1.5.
Kevin 36:07
I’m taking the under as well.
Derek 36:10
I would do the over alright guys. So let’s go ahead and look at a couple of burning questions here. We had, you know, some several rookie quarterbacks at flash this past year. What are you looking to do with them in dynasty and where do you see their value? Right? The reason that this question comes up is, you know, for instance, dynasty is happening, you got a lot of trades happening right now, the rookie draft right around the corner. And we had a question submitted where, you know, listener was curious, do you trade? Justin Herbert or Joe burrow for a mid, you know, mid round? First,
Kevin 36:47
I would say absolutely not. There’s something about a very young, semi proven commodity that is worth more than the unknown. And with the way that Joe burrow looked before his ACL injury, and the way Justin Herbert really took on that starting role for the Chargers for the bulk of the season before he kind of faded down the stretch leads towards a lot of optimism for both quarterbacks. So I would, I don’t know that I would be looking to trade either. Unless if it’s a single quarterback League, then yeah, you can look to flip one, I’d want more than just a mid round. First, though, I’d be a mid round first and a piece or two first rounders or something like that, I would be getting more out of that than just the mid round, if it’s a super flex. And I know for a fact there are teams that landed Joe burrow and Justin Herbert’s in a super flex, I’m sitting on boys, I’m sitting on both of them, and I will worry about building the rest of my team around them because both those guys have the makings of franchise quarterbacks. So you’re looking at 10 plus years of having them and not having to truly draft that position. And you can worry about building up through running backs, wide receivers and tight ends. So it’s gonna take me a lot to move off of either one of them. And a mid first just ain’t gonna cut it.
Alex 38:21
So the big part about this was that the pick was 106 right? And so you’re dealing with after the first five I think if you want to go you know, quarterback for quarterback, right? You’re gonna want if you lose a quarterback in that trade, right? If you lose herber or burrow, and your return is 106 I think that the top five picks likely are going to be quarterbacks anyways, in your in that dynasty draft, I think that they’re, you know, I haven’t seen too much in terms of a running back that I would be too terribly intrigued with, or a wideout, that would really necessitate a 106 and a dynasty. So it feels to me like 106 is just one pick too late. In order for me to move off of Herbert or burrow, if it was one of four, then I’m much more intrigued for just a straight up swap because I feel like I can get one of those rookie quarterbacks. But you know, we’re talking about guys again, to your point, Kevin, we’re talking about guys that have only played one year in the league and burrows case played half of a year in the league. So it’s not like you’re getting rid of an aging quarterback you’re getting rid of guy that’s cemented, you know, and has the makings of being a quarterback for that team or starting quarterback for the next 10 years. So I think the pic placement at 106 is one pick too late for me to to move off of that to move off of a burrow or Herbert Yeah.
Kevin 40:00
106 you’re looking at a nachi Harris, you’re looking at a Mr. Chase, you’re looking at a davante Smith, like that type of player, which are very good in their own regards. And depending on their landing spots, it could be really great. But it again, it depends on your format, single quarterback League, depending on what else you have, yeah, I mean, if you have a matt Stafford Matt Ryan type and kind of have that, you know, fairly consistent veteran who knows who you know, have a few years left in their tank before you need to start worrying about it, then yeah, you can stay young if you’re getting the haul. But at the end of the day, guys, Joe burrow and Justin Herbert both have the makings of being consistently top 12. quarterbacks consistently. And I still don’t know. Or don’t feel like that’s enough. Like and maybe I’m greedy. Right? And that’s okay. But I’d still be asking for more to the table besides that. And even if it’s the 102, like anything besides the 101, where I can turn around and get Trevor Lawrence. And I’m asking for more like a proven commodity, right. We don’t know how trade Lance is going to pan out in the NFL. There’s questions about Justin fields, due to his size and inability in most big games in his career to really put up the numbers needed with the exception of the Clemson game. So and then, sorry, I can’t remember the kid out of BYU, whose name is escaping me at the moment, but I’m not necessarily sold on him, I need to do a lot more research. I don’t typically watch BYU football. So I’m going to have to do some film study and kind of get a better rounded opinion on what this kid could be. But if it’s not 101, and it’s not Trevor Lawrence landing in my lap for one of those guys, and at that point, either one, but one of those guys. I’m not doing it. And what that’s that’s gonna be my question back and what? Like it something sweeten the pot?
Derek 42:15
Yeah. And I don’t know that, you know, while we all expect Trevor Lawrence to be very good. You’ve seen both Joe burrow and, you know, and Justin Herbert be very good in their rookie year. There’s a lot to be said for that. To the point where you Does, does Trevor Lawrence come in and break the records that Herbert just said, I don’t think he necessarily does on that Jacksonville team. Herbert had a lot more going for him with the chargers. So even if it’s the one on one, I still think I might be looking for something additional back on that one. Let’s, let’s go ahead and look at both Ezekiel Elliott and Derrick Henry in dynasty formats. What are you looking to do with them coming into this season?
Kevin 43:01
In regards to where to draft them? Or just what to do if you have them on your roster?
Derek 43:06
Yeah, you’ve got them on the roster already. reason I asked this question right. So Zeke, obviously coming off of a down year, Derrick Henry coming off the career here. So y’all are you looking to? Do you think the wheels have maybe fallen off the Zeke train and you’re looking to try and flip him before they fully come off? Or it’s kind of the same thing with Derrick Henry, you now have a guy that’s older than most running backs out there performing at a high level and Are you looking to maybe try and flip him and get a hall, maybe moving off of a year too early, but moving them off of them at the peak value.
Kevin 43:41
If that’s with that being the case I’m holding on to Zeke Elliott, his values never going to be as low as it is right now. The Cowboys are going to figure out who theirs quarterback is going to be and whether they bring Dak Prescott back into the fold with a franchise maghen get a live long term deal done whatever that looks like. But the Cowboys are going to get that figured out. So, inherently Zeke’s numbers will improve. But right now, there’s no point in trading Zeke Elliott, if you’re in a keeper, or a dynasty League, because this is as low of as a return that you’re gonna find for him. On the flip side with Derrick Henry, I think I’m gonna gamble and keep I think I’m gonna hold him for one more year. I think he’s got one more really dominant year in him. And then this time next year is when I’m looking to flip him. Again, maybe I’m greedy. And that’s possible. This running back classes is pretty good. That’s coming out in the draft. So if you’re able to get a couple different picks, then maybe that’s the option right. But I think one of those would need to be a top five. First round pick to kind of have the maximum chances of nausia Harris who draws Derrick Henry comparisons, he just catches the ball better out of the backfield. Or if you’re able to, you know, flip Derrick, Derrick Henry, for a younger receiver, if a team’s struggling, you know, running back, but they are loaded at wide receiver and you can get your hands on. I don’t know if Justin Jefferson’s the right equivalent, but that is a guy who I would flip Derrick Henry for, I’ll give you a top five wide receiver. In return, I would like a top five or excuse me, I’ll give you a top five running back. But I want a top five receiver and return like, yeah, there’s an age gap. But these running backs are much harder to come by than the wide receivers are.
Alex 45:42
I’m staying put with both guys, I think Zeke’s down here was because of the Dak Prescott injury. So I think that there’s bounce back quality there. And I think that what we’ve seen out of Derrick Henry, well, I don’t think you’ll have the same year, statistically that he had this year, I still think that he’s quality. So I’m not sure that I would would move off of either. I mean, that asking price is so high that I just don’t think anybody would entertain what I would be asking.
Kevin 46:15
Zeke Elliott ADP for 2021. seven point Earth? Yeah. 7.5
Alex 46:23
I think it’s going to be higher. And I say that, you know, you know, eight 910 like that higher, only because I think that there will be the scorned crowd. That won’t be so apt to take him because of the recency bias,
Derek 46:41
I think you probably see him about where we saw dalvin cook being taken a lot of drafts last year, like that’s kind of where I would see him which is probably right around that eighth pick. So kind of, I’m gonna, you know, hedge my bet and kind of say in between what you two are saying there?
Alex 46:57
Actually, I think that’s a great comparison. Derek, I think that what we’ll see is dalvin cook getting the Zeke Elliott treatment from 2020. And then Zeke getting kind of the dalvin cook treatment from 2020. I think those guys probably flip flop in terms of where their ATP actually falls this year, where we could see dalvin cook going, you know, rb, rb, but pick, you know, three or four, versus Zeke going in the eight, nine range.
Derek 47:26
So what is your favorite strategy to draft dynasty? So doing like a dynasty startup? What’s your favorite strategy to kind of start your team with?
Alex 47:36
So there’s two schools of thought here, right? There’s win now, or win later, right? So it all depends on how you want to go for things I am in a I’m only in I think one dynasty, Fantasy Football League. And I might have to double check that I’ll get into more I think this year. But I’m in a dynasty fantasy Basketball League. And my mindset going in was I’m going to recoup my my payment into the league in year one, you know, so I’m going to try to make sure that I can play dynasty basketball for the next five years, basically on a free roll because I win the first year, that has been unsuccessful so far. But that was the mindset that I went to the draft with was I’m going to go into win now mode. So I’m going to draft proven commodities that might be older, that’ll scare away a few people, but they’re proven and they will be something that I know I can hang my hat on and be able to win now. So I think depending on what your mindset is going into your draft, do you want to be in win now mode? Or do you want to be in win later mode? That’s going to determine a lot of how you pick? So this is kind of a cop out answer. But it really all depends on do you want to win now? Or do you want to win later. And I think that if you go in now you’re going to take some of those proven commodities that are older, that you may not have for more than four or five years on your roster. And try to win as many times as you can while you have that that core and then try and pick up, you know, younger pieces along the way or maybe flip some of those guys for younger pieces if you can. But that’s that I think is the mindset that you have to enter these drafts. Do I want to win now with proven commodities that might be older or do I want to win later with younger commodities that could take a while to develop?
Kevin 49:37
I think a large part of it depends on where you draft. If you’re at the top half of the draft board, I’m more so taking honestly, well, I don’t even know if that matters, guys. Like I’m pretty I’m taking a pretty balanced approach. Like you have some savvy vets. You have some young guys like I think the difference in the dynasty draft is I’m I will loosen up my restrictions on drafting young guys, obviously, because you need them, they’re the lifeblood of your team. So as opposed to being anti rookie completely until you get later in the rounds. Yeah. Take a young wide receiver early, you know, when when Calvin Ridley came out, you know, when Justin Jefferson I would have been much more apt to take Justin Jefferson, a little bit higher than then where he was going in redraft leagues because I think he was going like round 14, right. I think that instantly gets elevated, you know, taking him in round nine or 10. Like there’s that big of a jump because you need that young lifeblood and their draft stock understanding what the scouting report is on these guys, all this stuff comes into play. I’m still looking at running back first, like, and I guess I’m looking at this as a standard, a traditional PPR single quarterback PPR type league. So I’m still going running back first. And depending on how the board falls, you know, maybe I go with someone who’s a bit more proven, whether it’s a dalvin, cook, and Nick Chubb, if you know, something like that, who’s had a couple years, but if I’m towards the tail end, and some of those top guys are taken, yeah, I’m gonna look at a guy like a Jonathan Taylor or a Gibson, kind of at that turn level to help cement that running back room. And then fill in with receiver because there’s so much more depth at that position. So I’m still looking to go running back heavy, I will probably sprinkle in some youth with my, you know, I guess in their prime type veterans, and then fill it in with receivers where I see see the right value for not only age but offensive scheme that they’re in.
Derek 51:53
For me, it’s I’m going to kind of wait and see how the draft board falls to me, and see how that kind of comes to play. But it’s going to be Yeah, I’m going to stay kind of very balanced moreso than that I do in a lot of other types of formats. I’ll definitely look use far earlier. You know, normally, youth I started looking more in the mid round type of thing I’ll look at potentially taking a guy and shooting on the age and the second maybe in third round type of thing. So really just kind of depends there. But super flex, I’m going to draft a QB very early, get that that first guy cemented and kind of built in there. And then really kind of take a very balanced approach to the first couple of rounds, whether it’s running back or wide receiver, but really kind of mixing in both experience and use and really kind of trying to shoot for a ceiling throughout there. So guys, last burning question we have there. You’re on the clock with the 101 in a dynasty startup. Who’s your pick?
Kevin 52:55
Patrick mahomes.
Alex 52:56
Yeah, that one’s hard to argue against, because he’s still young. He’s very much a proven commodity. Great piece to build around. Yeah. Patrick Holmes,
Derek 53:07
I think I’m right there with you. And I don’t know that that does that change at all for you if it’s just a single QB league?
Alex 53:14
I mean, not in a dynasty? No.
Kevin 53:18
Yeah, it’s just because the rest of the positions are so fickle at times, right. Like we thought Christian McCaffrey was cemented in like he had no injury history whatsoever. And then 2020 kind of happened for him. And that can happen to anybody to a certain extent, right. You don’t predict injuries. That’s not what we do. But I just the shelf life on running backs is so short, their peak Windows is so narrow. The 1.1 is kind of a pic that it doesn’t come around very often. Like, you’re really fortunate to get that. And at that point, I think I’m taking Patrick mahomes. And I’m going to see where the rest of the board shakes out. Because as soon as you take him, as soon as you take him you do make other people alter their strategy. Because a lot of people are thinking, fourth, fifth pick, like something like that. It’s kind of worker fault. You take him one. And then you instantly have the guys in the middle and the back end of that round. You don’t put them on a full tilt, but you do make them scratch their heads a little bit like man, maybe I need to reevaluate what I’m doing here. And anytime you can get people to second guess their draft, you have one up on him, right? You just you win at that point.
Alex 54:37
What I think is interesting is if you would have asked this question exactly one year ago, who are you taking with the one on one in a dynasty draft startup? I think we would have probably I think all three of us probably would have thrown out a different answer. And I’m not sure that Patrick mahomes would have been one of those answers.
Derek 54:59
I think would have mixed it up with either CMC or Patrick mahomes. Still, I don’t every dynasty startup I did last year. I was taking Patrick mahomes very early if I could,
Kevin 55:09
and I would because I’m not a big say Quan guy, like I see it, but he can’t
Alex 55:14
stay healthy. So we’re also coming off of Lamar Jackson’s awesome here.
Derek 55:19
I was still taking Patrick mahomes. Over. Really?
Kevin 55:22
Yeah, Derek and I were co owning Derek and I co owned a league where we had that decision. We had the one on one, and we took Patrick mahomes over everybody. For the sake of a having a really good share, Patrick mahomes and be understanding that Lamar Jackson’s numbers are going to be extremely hard for him to duplicate. Yes, he’s going to be fantasy relevant for a long time. But Patrick mahomes, there’s a clear path for him to play 15 years in the NFL. I don’t think Lamar Jackson has that clear path. Like I think he’s on a clock of about eight or nine years. And when his legs start to go, Lamar Jackson’s fantasy output is going to follow very, very quickly. So that’s was part of our logic in that decision when we took mahomes at 1.1. Coincidentally, we also took Josh Allen in what the fifth round.
Alex 56:15
Yeah, nice. So we have
Kevin 56:17
Patrick mahomes. And Josh Allen, in a co own dynasty league between Derek and I, and we took that combo, it didn’t matter what we did with the rest of the team. We took that combo, all the way
Alex 56:30
like yeah, just banked on it. It was awesome. I can’t believe Josh Allen was still around. That’s, that’s incredible.
Derek 56:37
A lot of people were down on him heading into that year. So I believe. But guys, any final thoughts for the listeners,
Kevin 56:44
enjoy the game guys, it’s an opportunity to, it’s an opportunity to, you know, wrap up the 2020 season, it’s an opportunity to catch up with some buddies have a couple beers. You know, eat some snack food, whether it’s wings or little Smokies or nachos or pizza, you know, whatever your flavor is, it’s all good. But kick back, enjoy the game. And and really take it all in like this is a game where, you know, you don’t get to see too many opportunities from greatest playoff quarterback, arguably the greatest quarterback of all time, go up against who, every who the consensus is the next greatest of all time coming right up with him. So we don’t get to see that too often. So enjoy it, it’ll be a lot of fun. play the games with it, whether they’re prop bets, whether they’re squares, you know, whatever fun little creative games you can play, don’t expect much out of the commercials. So it is that part is what it is. But this should be a fun one, like we should see very, very entertaining game.
Alex 57:54
It is the best that I can think of in terms of the old guard and the new guard kind of coming together. I think we might have seen that a little bit in the Super Bowl that we won’t mention with an older Peyton Manning and younger Russell Wilson, but I think Ross was even still pretty established by that point when they met. So
Kevin 58:15
third year, third year. Okay, so
Alex 58:18
it’s kind of similar. I mean, Manning obviously wasn’t as old. But as Tom Brady is. But I think that’s the biggest intrigue of it all is that we are seeing kind of the game’s new face, taking on the games established base. And appreciate that for what it is and, And truth be told, just take a moment to kind of appreciate what Tom Brady’s been able to do. I hated the guy for years because he was a thorn in the Broncos side and getting to the Super Bowl. And now that the Broncos are very much removed from any chance of a Super Bowl. In the next several years, I’ve been able to appreciate what Tom Brady does at the age that he is and I then just take a moment to kind of realize this is a this is a guy that we’ll be talking about for years and years and years about, you know what he did? And you know, it’s something you’ll explain to your kids. You know how kids but you know, when we were kids, we were always asking, oh, what was it like to see a Bart star or a Johnny Unitas or throw out
Kevin 59:25
another name if you will, Montana?
Alex 59:27
Yeah, Joe Montana even what was it like seeing him play? That’s the conversation that you’re going to be having about Tom Brady with a younger generation that didn’t get the opportunity to see him play so to see him play live, I guess. So really just kind of enjoy that and cosign on Kevin’s get involved in the fun side of things. You know, even if it’s not for for money, you know, it’s just fun to be able to root for some of these side prop bets that that make the game a little Bit more enjoyable especially if you don’t have a rooting interest in the Chiefs or the Buccs. It makes it so much more fun and enjoyable to take part in those
Derek 1:00:09
Guys, I do believe that we’ll wrap up yet another episode of the good old boys fantasy football podcast. Make sure you’re hitting us up on the socials, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook at GoodOldBoysFF. We’ve also got the website for your enjoyment now goodoldboysff.com. You can also find us on youtube with the good old boys fantasy football podcast YouTube channel for Kevin and Alex. I’m Derek. Have a good one. Be safe.